I see there’s a bit of a debate in the latest Fenix thread discussing the accuracy of the flight model. It got me wondering… what airline is considered the most accurate in terms of how it takes off, flies, flares, and lands? Of course I think the consideration has to come from real world pilots. Or are they all hampered by the MSFS engine?

ps. I'm seriously thinking of investing in one and would like to have some insights into this before I do that.  I don't want to start a war! 😇

Edited August 26, 20232 yr by Virtual-Chris

Which “Airliner” might be more apt for your title.

-B

"You don't ask questions like that in here; are you tryin' to start a rumble?"

9 minutes ago, anden145 said:

"You don't ask questions like that in here; are you tryin' to start a rumble?"

Yes, to tag on to anden’s point, why do you ask?  Are you looking at purchasing or are you looking to troll.  Legit question.

-B

Edited August 26, 20232 yr by btacon

43 minutes ago, btacon said:

Which “Airliner” might be more apt for your title.

-B

Thanks... it's funny how a single letter typo can change the entire question from something relevant to nonsense! 😄

And LMAO at the rumble comment. 🤣

I'm seriously thinking of investing in one and would like to have some insights into this before I do that.  I don't want to start a war! 😇

Edited August 26, 20232 yr by Virtual-Chris

57 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I see there’s a bit of a debate in the latest Fenix thread discussing the accuracy of the flight model. It got me wondering… what airline is considered the most accurate in terms of how it takes off, flies, flares, and lands? Of course I think the consideration has to come from real world pilots. Or are they all hampered by the MSFS engine?

ps. I'm seriously thinking of investing in one and would like to have some insights into this before I do that.  I don't want to start a war! 😇

To be honest even real world pilots say different to each other. Some know the aircraft better than others. Some just like to think they know everything. 

If you are thinking of purchasing the Fenix for instance watch V1 Simulations or Blackbox711 or even 320simpilot. These are actually typed on it and give a better representation of it.

If you want the PMDG 737 then I would watch Flightdeck2sim. I would say watch 737NG Driver for the 737 but you may find he is more biased towards it and take what he says about the Fenix with a pinch of salt.

Get both the Fenix and the PMDG 737. They are both fantastic. 

Loaded question here. Gathering a generic consensus it seems that the Fexix 320 and the PMDG 737 series are probably in the top. I don't own the Fenix (would like to eventually) but I can vouch for the 737. At least for this simulator....they're pretty awesome and recommended. 

I absolutely love the PMDG 737 700 and 900. Usually just fly the 900 but the 700 is great too.  Despite what people complain about constantly, both developers are really good from what I see. Had hardly any issues with the PMDG planes (except the DC6 and that's a different story).

One thing to understand is that the High Fidelity airliners focus far more on the systems of the aircraft than the flight model (particularly in "edge case" scenarios like take off & landing where MSFS is still quite weak).

So, as said, the Fenix and PMDG have decently representative flight models (with Fenix v2 having spent time to bring it up to snuff), but 95% of their realism is in the cockpit switchology, fuel burn, etc. Not in what happens when you pull on the stick/yoke.

All that said, it is possible that the iniBuilds A310 actually has the "most realistic flight model" due to their extensive use of CFD, and on their FM development experience brought over from X-Plane.

4 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

One thing to understand is that the High Fidelity airliners focus far more on the systems of the aircraft than the flight model (particularly in "edge case" scenarios like take off & landing where MSFS is still quite weak).

So, as said, the Fenix and PMDG have decently representative flight models (with Fenix v2 having spent time to bring it up to snuff), but 95% of their realism is in the cockpit switchology, fuel burn, etc. Not in what happens when you pull on the stick/yoke.

All that said, it is possible that the iniBuilds A310 actually has the "most realistic flight model" due to their extensive use of CFD, and on their FM development experience brought over from X-Plane.

Pretty Mediocre review. https://flyingpauls.blogspot.com/2022/11/airbus-a310-in-msfs-review.html

seat of your pants sweaty lots of knobs, dials and stuff going on BOEING, serene dark cockpit peaceful it does everything for you AIRBUS lol , regional jets and turbo props somewhere in between 

1 hour ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I see there’s a bit of a debate in the latest Fenix thread discussing the accuracy of the flight model. It got me wondering… what airline is considered the most accurate in terms of how it takes off, flies, flares, and lands? Of course I think the consideration has to come from real world pilots. Or are they all hampered by the MSFS engine?

ps. I'm seriously thinking of investing in one and would like to have some insights into this before I do that.  I don't want to start a war! 😇

La Belle Indifference!  What you don't know, on this topic, won't hurt you the slightest.   IOW:  if you're not a RW pilot of one of these airliners you won't know if the FM is good or not anyway.  If you haven't already avail yourself of the freeware A320NX by FlyByWire.  This plane is lovely in all ways, and some who have both it and Fenix' 320 actually prefer it from their comments.  I use PMDG 738, FBW A320NX, Aerosoft CRJ7 and WT 787X.  They're all quite different and well done.

Get either the Fenix A320 or the PMDG 737 - or both. Which one you prefer depends on what you like more - the Boeing or the Airbus style. You can't go wrong with any of these two. 

1 hour ago, Noel said:

La Belle Indifference!  What you don't know, on this topic, won't hurt you the slightest.   IOW:  if you're not a RW pilot of one of these airliners you won't know if the FM is good or not anyway.  If you haven't already avail yourself of the freeware A320NX by FlyByWire.  This plane is lovely in all ways, and some who have both it and Fenix' 320 actually prefer it from their comments.  I use PMDG 738, FBW A320NX, Aerosoft CRJ7 and WT 787X.  They're all quite different and well done.

I just want to know I’m not investing money and time in an airliner with a flawed flight model. If the differences are really subtle shades of grey, then I guess flight model is not really a factor in the decision.