58 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Then frame gen happened and with that frame gen you can actually properly use Gysnc /Freesync  and probably never drop out of your monitors proper sync range. Do i need in excess of 100fps for a flight sim? not really. But now you can clamp the frames for a different reason where there is an abundance rather than too little. Does it feel smooth as silk when you have framegen activated and you are simming firmly in your properly configured monitor's freesync/gync ranges in all phases of flight .. absolutely.

I had some time to kill on the weekend so I made a note of all my settings switched off GSYNC on my Sony X90K and set the refresh rate to 60Hz and setup the sim the way I used to with my 3090. I had a solid 60fps and perfectly smooth frame time variance but for me after using FG & 100Hz (I chose 100Hz over 120Hz to have some breathing room but honestly it doesn't really matter) 60fps at 60 Hz just did not feel that smooth, sure when looking out of the window while banking it wasn't bad but panning around the cockpit definitely wasn't like the experience of witnessing FG & GSYNC working together which delivers a sublime experience.

Ultimately you have to do whatever it takes to get the best result with your given hardware, I have been there with 30fps then 60fps and I was happy but with the current hardware I am lucky to have the sim is incredible. I heard all the hype regarding FG and I was skeptical but have to say I am very pleased with what this technology delivers in my favourite hobby. 

1 minute ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

No one is looking down their nose at you, least not me. I’m simply explaining. You’re the one turning it in to something it isn’t 🤷🏻‍♂️

"Because those with 4090's have witnessed what is possible. It's like driving a Lada all your life and then someone puts you in a Ferrari. You DON'T want to go back to the Lada, ever! So to the 4090 owner, 30 FPS is awful."

34fps for me is not awful, it is smooth and very flyable.  Would I like some more fps, of course, but an owner of a 4090 telling you you are flying an awful system IS derogatory.

2 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

I had some time to kill on the weekend so I made a note of all my settings switched off GSYNC on my Sony X90K and set the refresh rate to 60Hz and setup the sim the way I used to with my 3090. I had a solid 60fps and perfectly smooth frame time variance but for me after using FG & 100Hz (I chose 100Hz over 120Hz to have some breathing room but honestly it doesn't really matter) 60fps at 60 Hz just did not feel that smooth, sure when looking out of the window while banking it wasn't bad but panning around the cockpit definitely wasn't like the experience of witnessing FG & GSYNC working together which delivers a sublime experience.

Ultimately you have to do whatever it takes to get the best result with your given hardware, I have been there with 30fps then 60fps and I was happy but with the current hardware I am lucky to have the sim is incredible. I heard all the hype regarding FG and I was skeptical but have to say I am very pleased with what this technology delivers in my favourite hobby. 

Like they say the proof is in the pudding 🙂 

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

"Because those with 4090's have witnessed what is possible. It's like driving a Lada all your life and then someone puts you in a Ferrari. You DON'T want to go back to the Lada, ever! So to the 4090 owner, 30 FPS is awful."

34fps for me is not awful, it is smooth and very flyable.  Would I like some more fps, of course, but an owner of a 4090 telling you you are flying an awful system IS derogatory.

lol but thats just the truth dude. Sorry if it hurts you.

Just now, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Like they say the proof is in the pudding 🙂 

And for me it's Bread and "Butter" Pudding 🤣

2 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

Ultimately you have to do whatever it takes to get the best result with your given hardware, I have been there with 30fps then 60fps and I was happy but with the current hardware I am lucky to have the sim is incredible.

EXACTLY, and thanks for not telling me my system is awful 😁

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

"Because those with 4090's have witnessed what is possible. It's like driving a Lada all your life and then someone puts you in a Ferrari. You DON'T want to go back to the Lada, ever! So to the 4090 owner, 30 FPS is awful."

34fps for me is not awful, it is smooth and very flyable.  Would I like some more fps, of course, but an owner of a 4090 telling you you are flying an awful system IS derogatory.

How’s that looking down my nose at you? It’s an analogy. Get a grip. 
I never ever said you were flying an awful system did I?! I said 34-36 fps is awful for trackIR, as its polling rate is 120hz. How many times would you like me to repeat this, until it sinks in? 

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

EXACTLY, and thanks for not telling me my system is awful 😁

No one told you your system was awful. Please find a post where somebody told you your system was awful? Shall I play a violin? 😁

4 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

"Because those with 4090's have witnessed what is possible. It's like driving a Lada all your life and then someone puts you in a Ferrari. You DON'T want to go back to the Lada, ever! So to the 4090 owner, 30 FPS is awful."

34fps for me is not awful, it is smooth and very flyable.  Would I like some more fps, of course, but an owner of a 4090 telling you you are flying an awful system IS derogatory.

No he's presenting his subjective opinion on 30FPS, which he finds awful and I agree with him 100%, 30FPS when you've experienced 60 or more it IS awful. If I ever had to fly a sim or play a game at 30FPS again I'd just find something else. You just get offended because you feel it's an attack on your subjective opinion or your system, which is on you, not him. 

Edited October 23, 20232 yr by Sethos

Just now, Ianrivaldosmith said:

How’s that looking down my nose at you? It’s an analogy. Get a grip. 
I never ever said you were flying an awful system did I?! I said 34-36 fps is awful for trackIR, as its polling rate is 120hz. How many times would you like me to repeat this, until it sinks in? 

I find head tracking to be perfectly useable on my system at 34fps - it is not awful.  I look forward to the day I can upgrade, but until that day arrives it gets very tiresome to be told your own experience is awful.

5 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I find head tracking to be perfectly useable on my system at 34fps - it is not awful.  I look forward to the day I can upgrade, but until that day arrives it gets very tiresome to be told your own experience is awful.

It is awful to me, if it’s good for you, craic on. I never said your personal experience was awful. I said it’s awful. If you enjoy it, good for you. 
 

PS it gets very tiresome to be quoted out of context.

Edited October 23, 20232 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

We all know that 4090 is the holy grail in MSFS, but not everyone can afford to buy it, I'm sure the majority are using hardware that would benefit from using Noel's method and personally I appreciate that he tries to help those who need it, even if I don't need it myself.

12 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Shall I play a violin?

I back up somebodies advice that concentrating on FTV on those systems that struggle with MSFS is useful.  I then get pages of people suggesting what I see and enjoy on my screen is awful.  This is quite upsetting when all you want to do do is interact with like minded flight simmers, struggling to find that sweetspot on a lesser system.

You may find a comment like that to be funny, but for me it is very upsetting, but I guess for those of us that have battled depression for several years should just buckle up and take it.

 

Edited October 23, 20232 yr by MrBitstFlyer

12 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

awful.  This is quite upsetting

So, scroll past it then? It’s a flight sim forum, don’t let it upset you. Go outside and get some fresh air or something. You wouldn’t be so vexed if you actually read what I wrote properly instead of quoting me out of context and getting yourself all worked up! 

 

12 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

You may find a comment like that to be funny, but for me it is very upsetting, but I guess for those of us that have battled depression for several years should just buckle up and take it.

Please don’t emotionally blackmail me either. If you have personal problems, better keeping them off avsim I think. 

Edited October 23, 20232 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

9 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I back up somebodies advice that concentrating on FTV on those systems that struggle with MSFS is useful.  I then get pages of people suggesting what I see and enjoy on my screen is awful.  This is quite upsetting when all you want to do do is interact with like minded flight simmers, struggling to find that sweetspot on a lesser system.

You may find a comment like that to be funny, but for me it is very upsetting, but I guess for those of us that have battled depression for several years should just buckle up and take it.

 

Sorry to hear about your battle with depression but really, you are taking offense to his personal opinion and that he can't have his opinion because it hurts you, because you can't seperate his opinion from being an insult because he dislikes the settings you play it -- That's a you issue, not a him issue. Going as far as insulting him back, like that makes you any better. If you aren't mentally capable of handling opposing opinions on internet forums, perhaps you need to reconsider spending so much time on them.