14 hours ago, Alvega said:

That's because you are used to 30FPS in P3D. When you try 40 FPS you will see the difference is night and day. And I don't even use TrackIR.

What matters is the level of detail that I want in the simulator. I would be quite happy with a consistent 30fps if I could run the simulator at the detail levels that I want. Whether it would look smoother at 40fps is irrelevant.

EDIT: I saw your subsequent post, and agree completely! I will try to restrain myself from making further comments

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by Christopher Low

31 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Whether it would look smoother at 40fps is irrelevant.

Its the whole point in the forum post, hence this debate 🙄

Once again, it seems a few people people forget what the discussion forums are for, and don't understand a civilised debate.
And as a moderator quoted recently, opinions are just opinions and can't be wrong.  We just debate with each other why people are holding those opinions to gain greater understanding.

I learn something new quite a lot of the time, or at least gain a greater awareness of what other people like compared to me, or what their priorities are at least.
Sometimes this has lead to me changing my own opinion, and ultimately helped me with issues.
It is simply a trading of information and personal likes / dislikes, and opinions - nothing more.  How can that hurt some people?  They are not cut out for the internet or dislike free speech maybe. 

Someone even came into the thread recently to basically insult people on all sides of the debate, just for having the debate!  
I see many threads I am not interested in, but I just skip over them and don't comment.  It doesn't harm me.  They should maybe look at doing the same - it's stress free!

Some of the trolls get a holiday occasionally, but the ones that criticise conversations they are not interested in (selfish), and people that ask for threads to be shut down - they are just as bad in my book.

Anyway, although this discussion has come close to getting heated at times (shows passion for the subject at least), no flight-simmers have been harmed in the making of this thread! 

After following the discussion, I am now tempted to try DX12 and frame generation again, as I never got it working properly when I originally tried it.  Just poor setup I think.
My monitor has a maximum 60Hz refresh, but if I can convert 30Hz raw to 60Hz by using FG, it may save a bit of heat and noise on my system at least.
 

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by bobcat999

13 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Me pushing?! Hahaha are you having a laugh?! You and Noel are the ones that keep dredging it up with screenshots and relentless comments back. It’s never ending. 

Our comments are aim at those may benefit from a focus on FTV instead of FPS.  You keep commenting on it when it is of no relevance to you and your system.

11 hours ago, Alvega said:

1- Those with "lesser" systems who like to push their sim settings beyond their hardware capabilities, and accept flying with 30 FPS (like Noel, MrBitsFlyer and others)

Firstly I set my FPS at 34, not 30 so I can maintain a very smooth display.  I can maintain this smoothness through a whole flight, so how is this going beyond my hardwares capability?

I can quite easily run at 48fps, albeit with a slight increase in stutters.  I would much prefer to maintain eye candy as high as I can so my preference is to lower FPS until my frame times are stable

All that needs to happen, for those certain simmers with better systems, is to stop criticising personal choice and discussion on low FTV. If this discussion is of no benefit, why comment on it?

46 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Our comments are aim at those may benefit from a focus on FTV instead of FPS.  You keep commenting on it when it is of no relevance to you and your system.

Because you keep quoting me out of context...! Brick wall springs to mind here. 

38 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

All that needs to happen, for those certain simmers with better systems, is to stop criticising personal choice and discussion on low FTV. If this discussion is of no benefit, why comment on it?

Again, you take everything the wrong way. No one criticised you or anyone else. We simply give an opinion. All that needs to happen, is you stop taking things so personally, and quoting things out of context as a result. 

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

I have a 120Hz monitor and so I set MSFS to 1/3 of refresh rate giving me 40fps, settings are set so my hardware  can maintain 40fps in every scenario. Butter smooth with outstanding visuals, so no need to chase anything above that.

 

35 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Firstly I set my FPS at 34, not 30 so I can maintain a very smooth display.  I can maintain this smoothness through a whole flight, so how is this going beyond my hardwares capability?

I can quite easily run at 48fps, albeit with a slight increase in stutters.  I would much prefer to maintain eye candy as high as I can so my preference is to lower FPS until my frame times are stable

Ok, so that's what I said. You prefer to run at 1440p with everything ultra with 34 FPS (pushing you hardware beyond it's capabilities) than lowering some settings and running at 1080p with close to 60FPS everywhere and no stutters (which would be my choice if I had your system). By the way, I'm not criticizing your choice, that's why i said to each their own. If you are satisfied with that (I wouldn't be) enjoy it.

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

You prefer to run at 1440p with everything ultra with 34 FPS (pushing you hardware beyond it's capabilities) than lowering some settings and running at 1080p with close to 60FPS everywhere and no stutters

I'm far from everything at ultra 🙂. Could you explain why you say I am pushing my hardware beyond its capabilities when I have smooth performance with no stutters?

2 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I'm far from everything at ultra 🙂. Could you explain why you say I am pushing my hardware beyond its capabilities when I have smooth performance with no stutters?

Because with your settings you can't get more than 34FPS with smooth performance, and 34FPS is not enough for most people. Let's say that it's like your system is crying "don't push me more, I'm on the verge of having a breakdown". 😉

I was interested to learn about the influence of “frame time variance” and spent some time fiddling around with the various suggestions about Riva tuner and so on. I would agree that lower FTV is associated with an appreciably smoother / more immersive experience in the 30-40 fps range.

However, I always come back to a definite feeling that it’s more immersive and fluid when I take the kit off its leash by turning off all kinds of vsync . 12900ks with 4090 here and using frame-gen on 4k, mainly ultra settings, I get 60-90fps (depends mainly on the weather) at the inibuilds EGLL in the Fenix A320, even with real time traffic on and LOD at 210.

So I agree with the assessment that FTV stops being a significant predictor of immersiveness / smoothness if your kit can consistently sustain higher frame rates.

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by tfm

On 10/25/2023 at 5:00 PM, Noel said:

Can't hurt, easy and quick to try.  Use the realtime ability to change FPS lock on the fly as you experiment with it, mentioned I think towards the end of my original post.  Good luck!

So I gave it a go last night on a flight from Kansai down to Naha, granted it's not the most built up of areas but overall I thought the performance was excellent. I didn't have any of the usual microstutters I get even with FSLTL running at above average settings. I capped RTSS at 33fps and I found it to be an easy setup.

I run the sim at 1440p with mostly high settings with 2 or 3 on ultra, Ryzen 5 3600, 8G RTX 3060ti and 32G Ram with Vsync turned off in the sim. I'll do some more testing around Tokyo over the weekend but so far so good. That was the smoothest flight I've had in months (barring the go-around due to the VNAV in the PMDG leaving me high on approach!).

21 hours ago, CarlosF said:

I have a 120Hz monitor and so I set MSFS to 1/3 of refresh rate giving me 40fps, settings are set so my hardware  can maintain 40fps in every scenario. Butter smooth with outstanding visuals, so no need to chase anything above that.

 

Same here with 1/3 of 120hz giving 38-40 fps; smooth and happy flying for me.