On 1/15/2024 at 8:34 PM, Fielder said:

At last a thoroughly modern trainer! Such stamina! Such character!

 

It's great to see all these modern airplanes coming out, but I fear new pilots that train in them will develop bad habits and become overly reliant on technology. They'll set power using the RPM gauge instead of listening to what their engine is doing. They'll use the ball to keep the airplane coordinated instead of developing a good seat of the pants feel. Stick that compass in front of them and they'll simply follow headings instead of learning to look for landmarks. What happened to good old pilotage?

I'm all for technology, but cadets should be starting with a real airplane, like a Wright Flyer. That way, they'll actually become pilots, not just gauge watchers.

2 hours ago, martinboehme said:

It's great to see all these modern airplanes coming out, but I fear new pilots that train in them will develop bad habits and become overly reliant on technology. They'll set power using the RPM gauge instead of listening to what their engine is doing. They'll use the ball to keep the airplane coordinated instead of developing a good seat of the pants feel. Stick that compass in front of them and they'll simply follow headings instead of learning to look for landmarks. What happened to good old pilotage?

I'm all for technology, but cadets should be starting with a real airplane, like a Wright Flyer. That way, they'll actually become pilots, not just gauge watchers.

You are clearly don't understand what are you taking about. 

9 hours ago, conundrum said:

So no discount/pre-release without having a Paypal account?

You could always click the ‘or pay with a credit or debit card’ option 😬

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

You are clearly don't understand what are you taking about. 

I thought it was pretty good 😉.

Ain't nobody using the ball to coordinate a Stearman though, especially during takeoff and landing.  You take the time to glance down and you've ground looped before you can glance back up haha (in the real plane; no ground loops in sims unfortunately.  Seems to be physics no one has figured out yet.)

2 hours ago, MarkDH said:

You could always click the ‘or pay with a credit or debit card’ option 😬

I did. It won’t proceed without creating a Paypal account.

5 hours ago, MarkDH said:

You could always click the ‘or pay with a credit or debit card’ option 😬

This option is not always available. It depends on the country you live in. This is the reason why I ended up creating a Paypal account some years ago. Before that, this option was available, but later on, it disappeared and a Paypal account became mandatory. In some other countries, the option to pay directly by credit card is still there, tough.

 

5 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

I thought it was pretty good 😉.

Ain't nobody using the ball to coordinate a Stearman though, especially during takeoff and landing. 

It's no true about any airplane. Please do delight me though about "good seat of the pants feel"  I probably is going to learn something new now!

Here is interesting book I have. Note: author refers to Ward War which WW1 since WW2 hasn't happened yet. Compass considered as an expensive piece of equipment to own and maintain. Book written in 1928 before Stearman was not created yet

 

Here is about author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Q._Jones

This aircraft is great when flown with the Arrows Across America free addon.

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

It's no true about any airplane. Please do delight me though about "good seat of the pants feel"  I probably is going to learn something new now!

His post in general was humor.  He was laughing about that old Stearman poster referring to the airplane as "modern", when of course it seems archaic to most pilots today.  That's why I thought it was pretty good... It was funny.  😉

But it is true of some taildraggers that if you cannot fly them in a coordinated manner instinctively, by feel (by the "seat of your pants"), you aren't ready to try to land them.  This is especially true of a Stearman; it's the most directionally unstable aircraft on the ground in existence in reality, a far larger handful on takeoff and landing than any of the combat aircraft the trainees would go on to fly.  This is by design.  There's a saying in the warbird world, only kind of joking: "a Mustang makes a great trainer for a T-6, which makes a great trainer for a Stearman.". 😁

I'm not sorry the sim versions don't try to simulate this, because I've never seen a sim plane that was able to simulate taildragger physics correctly.  It's always a given level of instability, vs a level that is dependent on how far out of plane you've let the back end get (how crooked you are).  It never feels real, so personally I'd just rather it not exist.  Just a sim limitation I guess.

38 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

His post in general was humor.  He was laughing about that old Stearman poster referring to the airplane as "modern", when of course it seems archaic to most pilots today.  That's why I thought it was pretty good... It was funny.  😉

But it is true of some taildraggers that if you cannot fly them in a coordinated manner instinctively, by feel (by the "seat of your pants"), you aren't ready to try to land them.  This is especially true of a Stearman; it's the most directionally unstable aircraft on the ground in existence in reality, a far larger handful on takeoff and landing than any of the combat aircraft the trainees would go on to fly.  This is by design.  There's a saying in the warbird world, only kind of joking: "a Mustang makes a great trainer for a T-6, which makes a great trainer for a Stearman.". 😁

I'm not sorry the sim versions don't try to simulate this, because I've never seen a sim plane that was able to simulate taildragger physics correctly.  It's always a given level of instability, vs a level that is dependent on how far out of plane you've let the back end get (how crooked you are).  It never feels real, so personally I'd just rather it not exist.  Just a sim limitation I guess.

My humor failed me today

I truly learnt staying coordinated in SNJ-4 🙂

24 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

My humor failed me today

I truly learnt staying coordinated in SNJ-4 🙂

Absolutely!  SNJ will make you work for sure!  👍

Hi !

I enjoyed a lot with this plane :

 

 

Edited January 19, 20242 yr by supersym

I've spent a couple of hours searching, trying to find out how to buy the [MSFS] Stearman ... and got nowhere. Any ideas, folks? The original Paypal link no longer works.

41 minutes ago, Adamski_NZ said:

I've spent a couple of hours searching, trying to find out how to buy the [MSFS] Stearman ... and got nowhere. Any ideas, folks? The original Paypal link no longer works.

Digging around Adam.

I think original Payloadz/Paypal link has expired & it was for an intro  discount for Sim-outhouse members.

Should be a new source somewhere.

Inquiring, will get back etc.

T45