1 hour ago, Dave_YVR said:

It isn't though. The perceived limitation is more from a lack of AI models included with most AI packages to use for GA etc. If you look at the airport files included in PSXT, you can see what it tracks. There are far more GA, Bizjets and military that most would think. Add the models and you have the traffic.

PSXT can inject it, but

Real Traffic seems to only cover and I quote from their site "airports worldwide with a runway longer than 10,000ft"

If I am flying VFR in a small GA plane, I am not taking off an airport with a 10 000 length runway.

I understand I am asking a lot, but I find that prospect really interesting.

Taking off from my hometown little airport on the weekend with real live traffic doing circuits in small GA planes.

That I would buy.

Ron

 

 

1 hour ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Real Traffic seems to only cover and I quote from their site "airports worldwide with a runway longer than 10,000ft"

  As I mentioned, look at the airport files for the smaller airports and as long as they are within decent radar/surveillance coverage the GA will be covered, circuits and all. You just need models for them.

 Here's one example I saw at Deer Valley, outside of Phoenix. There was about 5 in the circuit with others coming and going. All sequenced like they were in real life. 

I went into Palm Springs not long as well and PSXT had these C130's on the ramp. I checked the PSXT log to confirm with FR24, and they were there. 

1 hour ago, craigeaglefire said:

Are you claiming that PSXT with RealTraffic provides accurate worldwide traffic?

Because, when testing it out, personally found very poor AI traffic in places like China, Russia & South America - just to name some important regions…

 When within good radar/surveillance coverage yes. Many places outside of North America, Europe and certain regions of Asia or South America don't have good coverage or at least coverage that is available to the public. When flying to those places, you can use one of the other AI options if needed. 

40 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said:

Many places outside of North America, Europe and certain regions of Asia or South America don't have good coverage

Exactly, Dave

very poor coverage on huge swathes of our planet!

& I’ll be first in line when it’s RealWorldwideTraffic,

maybe they can send me a Beta to test - would be glad to 🙂

8 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

  As I mentioned, look at the airport files for the smaller airports and as long as they are within decent radar/surveillance coverage the GA will be covered, circuits and all. You just need models for them.

 Here's one example I saw at Deer Valley, outside of Phoenix. There was about 5 in the circuit with others coming and going. All sequenced like they were in real life. 

 

Hey Dave, not arguing, just want to make sure.

I did check out the airport file and PSXT does cover small airports, but the airport file from Real Traffic does not.( or it would seem).

So where is PSXT getting this traffic from.

****Maybe Real traffic is only showing a sample of the coverage and not the total package

RealTraffic airport coverage plots

• This database contains a 24h period of data sampled at 10 second intervals at all airports worldwide with a runway longer than 10,000ft.

 

Ron

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by Ron Lefebvre

37 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

So where is PSXT getting this traffic from.

****Maybe Real traffic is only showing a sample of the coverage and not the total package

RealTraffic airport coverage plots

• This database contains a 24h period of data sampled at 10 second intervals at all airports worldwide with a runway longer than 10,000ft.

Thae database you are referring to is to show you the quality of ground coverage at selected large airports.

Back on RT's main page, the number of currently tracked flights in the air is almost 12,500.

I will probably get a one month subscription to check this out . Could be really cool for VFR flying.

Thanks

 

Ron

 

3 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

did check out the airport file and PSXT does cover small airports, but the airport file from Real Traffic does not.

PSXT gets the flight data info from Real Traffic, then learns parking based off of that data for each airport. 

 Keep in mind that without AI model types for various GA, you will get mixed results. PSXT matches types as close as it can based on what you have in your collection. FS Traffic for instance has afaik nothing for GA, FSLTL has a few GA types and AIG for GA is pretty much all bizjets. Custom setups is where you get your little singles etc. The quote from the movie Field of Dreams comes to mind. "Build it and they will come" lol.

 Here's one from a small training field near me. PSXT is using some of the default GA types to fill in what is missing and it's way better than nothing.

 

I generally use PSXT, but with the server issues Real Traffic is having resulting in weird behavior, planes randomly appearing/disappearing at multiple airports, etc., it just breaks the immersion so I can't see myself using it again until the server issues get resolved.

I like FSLTL, but sometimes it seems like it's not grabbing ALL the airliner traffic.

So in the meantime, I'm now using AIG's Traffic controller with all its flightplans.  May not be "live" but the flightplans are based on real life historical plans so they work great.  With AIFlow and AIGround (and the ability now to set arrival and departure runways with those), the AI behavior is greatly improved over default.  Throw in a GA Traffic mod and I'm set for now.  Definitely not as immersion breaking.

On 1/31/2024 at 4:05 PM, fra147 said:

Edit: specifically 8nm traffic and 12% parking positioning on PSXT

In the latest version there is a Max Live functin with which you can further limit the number of live traffic to the ones closests to you (on top of the lateral range).
However, this should not be needed if you use the right AI aircrfat models and liveries (AIG) and your MSFS paarmeter settiing are not at ultra.

6 hours ago, kiek said:

In the latest version there is a Max Live functin with which you can further limit the number of live traffic to the ones closests to you (on top of the lateral range).
However, this should not be needed if you use the right AI aircrfat models and liveries (AIG) and your MSFS paarmeter settiing are not at ultra.

Great, as soon as I can I give it a try.

I have a 7800x3D, 64GB RAM and a 4070T and I prefer having parameters on Medium/High to better replicate AI traffic.

Let me know if you prefer I write you via a private message but I would like to ask you what you mean in terms of right AI models. 

With FSTL I use FsTraffic models and are the same I suppose I use with PSXT. But the decrease of performance it is (maybe it was with the new suggested setting) very noticeable. From 60+ to 25 in few seconds, same place, only changing traffic suppliers. Maybe you can help me in fixing something it is not working appropriately.

Thanks and as soon as I can (tonight or tomorrow morning) I will install the latest version)

 

PS: it is airport dependent like the static percentage?

Edited February 2, 20242 yr by fra147

31 minutes ago, fra147 said:

PS: it is airport dependent like the static percentage?

Yes it is.

You can use my forum for furher help. Do not use private mail please.

5 hours ago, kiek said:

Yes it is.

You can use my forum for furher help. Do not use private mail please.

Great addition, game changer for me at first sight.

I will write in the dedicated forum for other possible things

It is very quiet thought. No ATC, nothing...

37 minutes ago, BWBriscoe said:

It is very quiet thought. No ATC, nothing...

If you are flying at an airport that has a LiveATC feed, you can listen along to that with a very minor delay for a more immersive experience (though that's not available everywhere)