49 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

Sure, but in the end you have to pay it to be able to use PSXT...

As always in flightsimming this is highly subjective and depends on what you consider realistic and immersive.

I find it completely unrealistic that the other traffic is completely ignoring me, so that I have to search for my own gaps in the traffic flow to maintain separation on approach or to avoid other traffic landing on top of me when I line up for takoff, or to always have to expect runway incursions when I am on the takeoff run or on short final. I find it completely unrealistic that I am controlled by a different ATC system than all other traffic.

 

Don't get me wrong, PSXT is a fantastic app and I myself enjoyed it very much for a while (until RealTraffic became a little over-ambitious with its pricing model).

But after using FSHud and looking at the upcoming BeyondATC and VoxATC I cannot imagine ever going back to "self-ATC" any more.

 

But of course, for those who consider a realistic and immersive ATC experience less important than true-to-life movements of AI traffic (and nothing is wrong with that), nothing can beat PSXT (if you are willing to pay the price). 

 

Glad that you found FsHud and indeed BeyondATC and VoxATC might suit you better …

1 hour ago, RALF9636 said:

But after using FSHud and looking at the upcoming BeyondATC and VoxATC I cannot imagine ever going back to "self-ATC" any more.

But of course, for those who consider a realistic and immersive ATC experience less important than true-to-life movements of AI traffic (and nothing is wrong with that), nothing can beat PSXT (if you are willing to pay the price). 

 Those ATC program while better than default still aren't very realistic though. It all depends on the gives and takes that you find acceptable. I'll take the silence of watching actual real traffic and being my own ATC over having to see and listen to the corniness of the other options.   

24 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said:

 Those ATC program while better than default still aren't very realistic though. It all depends on the gives and takes that you find acceptable. I'll take the silence of watching actual real traffic and being my own ATC over having to see and listen to the corniness of the other options.   

I can relate to that, I saw it that way myself some time ago. It's good we have choices.

 

Edited January 24, 20242 yr by RALF9636

PSXT/RealTraffic has very poor coverage in places like China…

WHile PSXT/RT is super great when it works, it does not work at any place of the world. 

North America, Europe, AU/NZ are covered very well at 80-90% level at large airports, but South America, most of China aren't covered at all or badly. If you plan to fly between specific airports, please make sure that PSXT/RT covers them. 

https://www.lekseecon.nl/downloads/psxtraffic/MSFS airports archive.txt

2 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

I find it completely unrealistic that the other traffic is completely ignoring me, so that I have to search for my own gaps in the traffic flow to maintain separation on approach or to avoid other traffic landing on top of me when I line up for takoff, or to always have to expect runway incursions when I am on the takeoff run or on short final.

You can instruct PSXT to remove any conflicting aircraft. Also, if you choose a particular callsign, it will be suppressed in MSFS, allowing you to take its place. Conflicts be gone!

There are always compromises in flight simming. At the end of the day, you choose the option that works best for you.

 

Edited January 24, 20242 yr by F737MAX

I've treid PSXT but after seeing (at KMIA, for testing) some of the landing aircraft literally landing in the grass and every single of the landing aircraft (even those landing on the correct surface) disappearing after the landing roll (which apparently has something to do with how they operate the transponder), I've come to the conclusion that this is anything but immersive.
Back to using AIG + AIGround + AIFlow, almost no immersion breaking MSFS-stuff anymore (no runway incursions, no clipping aircraft etc.), realistic flight plans (incl. STARs and SIDs) for any sim time at any place of the world, and I can even set the real active runway to be used for takeoff and landing (through AIGround & AIFlow). Even Beyond2ATC will have a hard time surpassing this, at least in regards to AI behaviour.

Edited January 24, 20242 yr by Fiorentoni

5 hours ago, craigeaglefire said:

PSXT/RealTraffic has very poor coverage in places like China…

At the moment PSXT / RT seems to have very poor coverage in a LOT of places. For a couple of months now there's been issues with the RT data feeds. Unless things improve I won't be renewing my RT subscription. 

 

Edited January 25, 20242 yr by KL Oo

13 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

I'll take the silence of watching actual real traffic and being my own ATC over having to see and listen to the corniness of the other options.   

I use both PSXT/Real Traffic and Pilot2ATC. Of course the ATC is unaware of the AI, and there are collisions (which I win, because they are automatically zapped) but for me it's a good and realistic combination.

21 hours ago, GSalden said:

PSXT + RT = real world live traffic inside P3D/MSFS

Indeed you are not part of what happens in the real aviation world 😉

So if you want to talk to ATC and get instructions then there are other options.

Everyone as he/she likes it ….
 

 

I wonder if I could combine PSXT/RT + Pilot2ATC and Live ATC? This way I get real traffic + live ATC, plus I can interact with Pilot2ATC to get ATC instructions.

8 hours ago, Petraeus said:

I use both PSXT/Real Traffic and Pilot2ATC. Of course the ATC is unaware of the AI, and there are collisions (which I win, because they are automatically zapped) but for me it's a good and realistic combination.

Pilot2ATC must be somewhat aware of AI (AIG in my case) because quite often Holding for T.O.I will get instructions to "Hold for landing Aircraft" and sure enough after 2 or 3 mins. (boy, I must be Patient) the landing aircraft appears...so, I dunno.

Since the whole AI/ATC system is still such a mess, I use FSLTL with mostly static aircraft to give the airport a little bit of life and a small amount of IFR traffic (around 20).  This has worked best for me and doesn't kill your FPS....

PSXT + Real Traffic for the injection, then use FSLTL for model matching only.  That's my preference.

2 hours ago, TomCYYZ said:

Pilot2ATC must be somewhat aware of AI (AIG in my case) because quite often Holding for T.O.I will get instructions to "Hold for landing Aircraft" and sure enough after 2 or 3 mins. (boy, I must be Patient) the landing aircraft appears...so, I dunno.

• AI Traffic Display and Alerts

From Pilot2ATC website.

16 hours ago, TomCYYZ said:

Pilot2ATC must be somewhat aware of AI (AIG in my case) because quite often Holding for T.O.I will get instructions to "Hold for landing Aircraft" and sure enough after 2 or 3 mins. (boy, I must be Patient) the landing aircraft appears...so, I dunno.

Actually now you mention it, I think you are right. Although Pilot2ATC doesn't keep taxying aircraft out of my way, it has on some occasions held me at the runway threshold to wait for landing aircraft.