7 hours ago, kholt said:

What am I to think when I plan my route in Simbrief, load the charts in Navigraph Charts, and then ATC sends me off on an approach I don’t even have a chart for?

Wrong thinking. If you have Navigraph Charts MSFS will have Navigraph navdata and BATC will use that. BATC will NOT send you off on an approach you have no chart for. That would be impossible.

You are talking as if you are using FSX or P3D. With those sims your remark would make sense. Not with MSFS because Navigraph also installs its data into the sim.

I think this is actually great because BATC won't need monthly AIRAC updates of its own. Saves you time installing it or, even worse, waiting for an update of the dev.

Addons that DO need to be updated with a new AIRAC every month only need this because they also have to work in FSX or P3D (which can't use Navigraph data). BATC is a brand new addon that only works in MSFS and hence it doesn't need an AIRAC of its own.

(Not sure why the dev didn't give THIS explanation in his video... His explanation only made things confusing. And actually doesn't make any sense because for instance, as posted above, Navigraph doesn't even have readable taxiway data...! Quite odd.)

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by tup61

Wait, an even shorter explanation:

BATC does the exact same as any addon with a Navigraph AIRAC of its own does: BATC just doesn't need a Navigraph AIRAC of its own because that Navigraph AIRAC is already installed in MSFS (unlike FSX or P3D.)

Simple as that. The video complicated things without reason.

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by tup61

Well, for an IFR-Pilot using e.g. the Fenix or the 737 it doesnt make any sense not to subscribe. I don´t see an advantage of using old data. 

Where is the early version to purchase it?

22 minutes ago, motishow said:

Where is the early version to purchase it?

It's not released yet. Will take a few more weeks, I think.

1 hour ago, techman said:

Well, for an IFR-Pilot using e.g. the Fenix or the 737 it doesnt make any sense not to subscribe. I don´t see an advantage of using old data. 

That is because those addons actually need a Navipgraph subscription to fully use them. Unlike BATC. 

Well I don't see why I should park pro-atc which has a different approach regarding installed scenery and compatibility with Navigraph.

While it doesn't control AI it takes it into account.

So at this point I don't see the value of Beyound ATC in it's current form over Pro-ATC (and yes I have FSHud too which is parked for performance reasons).

Will revisit BATC when the AI traffic stuff is implemented, in it's current form the name is weird too because it's nowhere near "beyound" ATC.

What I appreciated is that they are upfront pretty clear what to expect (maybe for that reason alone I'm going to purchase the default BATC to support them towards the more complex version)

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by virtualstuff

3 hours ago, virtualstuff said:

Well I don't see why I should park pro-atc which has a different approach regarding installed scenery and compatibility with Navigraph.

While it doesn't control AI it takes it into account.

So at this point I don't see the value of Beyound ATC in it's current form over Pro-ATC (and yes I have FSHud too which is parked for performance reasons).

Will revisit BATC when the AI traffic stuff is implemented, in it's current form the name is weird too because it's nowhere near "beyound" ATC.

What I appreciated is that they are upfront pretty clear what to expect (maybe for that reason alone I'm going to purchase the default BATC to support them towards the more complex version)

Is Proatc even supported any more?

The lack of responses to queries of paying customers from the author on their official forums is off-putting.

In what way is it aware of AI?

16 minutes ago, jkeye said:

Is Proatc even supported any more?

The lack of responses to queries of paying customers from the author on their official forums is off-putting.

In what way is it aware of AI?

Unfortunately not, since I already own the software and it's stable no need for a change at this point.

It's aware of landing and departing aircraft and runway traffic (despite some bugs)
At this point in time I would not purchase Pro-ATC due to the lack of support or any updates...

(The actual traffic (AI) continues to be controlled by the flight simulation but is detected and considered and even changed by PRO-ATC/SR.
That means you won't get a clearance for takeoff when an aircraft is on final approach or still on the runway.
It will even be controlled to avoid collisions with your aircraft when airborne.)

 

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by virtualstuff

40 minutes ago, virtualstuff said:

Unfortunately not, since I already own the software and it's stable no need for a change at this point.

It's aware of landing and departing aircraft and runway traffic (despite some bugs)
At this point in time I would not purchase Pro-ATC due to the lack of support or any updates...

(The actual traffic (AI) continues to be controlled by the flight simulation but is detected and considered and even changed by PRO-ATC/SR.
That means you won't get a clearance for takeoff when an aircraft is on final approach or still on the runway.
It will even be controlled to avoid collisions with your aircraft when airborne.)

 

Ok thanks for the information. 

That's a shame because there is a real need for something like this to be available. 

I guess I'll stick to FSHUD and P2ATC

12 hours ago, Jetman67 said:

Extremely disappointed to find out they are not using Navigraph, and use cost as a reason.  This strongly suggests they are targeting more casual gamers.  People who are seriously invested in flight simulation already have Navigraph.

I think folks are greatly misunderstanding the video. He's saying he's not using Navigraph as an external database, because then everyone would be required to get Navigraph to keep up to date.

Instead, it uses the data installed into the the sim, which can be either Navigraph or stock NavBlue/FAA. This is a much more flexible solution because it allows Navigraph users to get full navdata fidelity and folks who can't afford it still get up to date data through the sim.

If you have Navigraph already, and have it installed into the sim, then there is zero data downgrade here compared to if BeyondATC instead decided to use an external database that was Navigraph only.

Hopefully that helps clear things up.

8 hours ago, tup61 said:

Wrong thinking. If you have Navigraph Charts MSFS will have Navigraph navdata and BATC will use that. BATC will NOT send you off on an approach you have no chart for. That would be impossible.

You are talking as if you are using FSX or P3D. With those sims your remark would make sense. Not with MSFS because Navigraph also installs its data into the sim.

I think this is actually great because BATC won't need monthly AIRAC updates of its own. Saves you time installing it or, even worse, waiting for an update of the dev.

Addons that DO need to be updated with a new AIRAC every month only need this because they also have to work in FSX or P3D (which can't use Navigraph data). BATC is a brand new addon that only works in MSFS and hence it doesn't need an AIRAC of its own.

(Not sure why the dev didn't give THIS explanation in his video... His explanation only made things confusing. And actually doesn't make any sense because for instance, as posted above, Navigraph doesn't even have readable taxiway data...! Quite odd.)

I hope you’re right.  If this is the case then I guess there isn’t going to be a problem.  However, the developer on the video was the one that brought this up and he talked as if there was a problem.  So let’s just hope that it’s only his communication skills that are somewhat lacking and not the product itself…. Maybe if I watched the video a second time I could parse it more carefully.

5 hours ago, tup61 said:

It's not released yet. Will take a few more weeks, I think.

I am not saying you are wrong, but do you have knowledge of this or are you just speculating? 

Maybe it might have been easier to understand if they just said "We use the standard Navdata API", that is extracting data directly from the simulator through Simconnect, whatever that data might be (which includes Navigraph if you installed it in the sim).

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by virtuali

39 minutes ago, kholt said:

However, the developer on the video was the one that brought this up and he talked as if there was a problem.

I do agree the dev made things more complicated than needed... I do like how he freely talks instead of reading a script but sometimes 'reading a script freely' might be wiser.
 

 

23 minutes ago, lehbird said:

I am not saying you are wrong, but do you have knowledge of this or are you just speculating? 

Let's call it a very educated guess. 😉 I could still be totally wrong though that would really surprise me.

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by tup61