I am 100% happy with the Simworks aircraft.

Besides the Carenado PC-12 being visually stunning, I've been pretty satisfied with the Carenado improvements for it to satisfy my PC-12 needs.

I don't feel the need to buy another PC-12 atm.

 

Edited July 15, 20241 yr by blueshark747

I own both. Carenado because I was wanting the PC12 so I got it. Should've known better. Took them months to patch major issues with it and I shelved it since.

SWS for the win. Despite having a bug here/there, it's more flyable, more realistic, handles better and to me it even looks better. Ever since their Kodiak I've followed and enjoyed all that SWS makes.

Some bugs/issues, sure but I would rather have that than another carenado plane.

3 hours ago, ricka47 said:

I think that I saw somewhere that MSFS24 would include a PC-12? Maybe I'm hallucinating again (grew up in the 60s). If that's the case, I'd guess it would be the Carenado version.

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs-2024-aircraft-lineup/646693

But that will be the NGX with the Honeywell Apex avionics suite. 

48 minutes ago, bigifooti said:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs-2024-aircraft-lineup/646693

But that will be the NGX with the Honeywell Apex avionics suite. 

Ah yes - and it will be Carenado.

On 7/14/2024 at 5:33 PM, lupedelupe said:

Request for those happy customers with the SWS PC-12: please post a screenshot of your controller curves (yoke and rudder).

i don't have a particular setting for the PC-12

Maybe this helps: https://antonvs-au.notion.site/PC-12-General-Tips-7415ea4d7489497b8a0b07fbefaef8d1

found here: https://discord.com/channels/531808796822208512/1187365055650594886

Edited July 15, 20241 yr by bigifooti

On 7/13/2024 at 9:16 PM, bofhlusr said:

Wow, I'm not any closer to a decision between the two now. Will the patch address the yawing issue (or just maybe that's how it is in real life)? Any idea when they'll release the patch?

The update was live demo'd at FlightSim expo a couple weeks back, and reports were good!

Based on that I'd expect general release "soon".

I have the Carenado, so haven't yet bought the SWS (going to, for sure).

The Carenado is typical Carenado: beautiful model, relatively light systems, meh flight model, low price.

I've ridden as pax in a few PC-12's, and the Carenado does not have enough power, by far. We were, IRL,  with a full load of pax & luggage, able to lift off in just a few seconds, and the thing climbs like a scared cat.

The Carenado takes much, MUCH longer.

Since theyre the same price, and based on my first hand experience with Carenados PC-12 and SWS' Kodiak, Id put my money on SWS.

 

 

21 hours ago, The Flight Level said:

@bofhlusr I made 5 tutorial videos and 2 IFR videos with the Carenado PC-12 and found that it adheres closely to the real world POH. All avionic functions performed as they should. You may find Video 5 of particular interest comparing real world to sim values.

Pilatus PC-12 Cold & Dark Startup - Real World Step by Step Instructions- 4K - Carenado PC12 Video 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq91Rbaxoew

Pilatus PC-12 Takeoff, Climb, Cruise- Real World Step by Step Instructions- 4K Carenado PC12 Video 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI4S05aLMc

Pilatus PC-12 Change Flight Level Tutorial - Altitude Preselector - 4K Carenado PC12 Video 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5t7O5O-Uw

Pilatus PC-12 Descent, Approach & Landing Real World Step by Step Instruc. Carenado PC12 Video 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7-suESL5o

Pilatus PC-12 Takeoff & Landing Distances - Real World vs Flight Simulator - Carenado PC12 - Video 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlYBf7KRud0

IMC Flight to Teterboro Airport- Full IFR Flight KISP to KTEB - ILS RWY 19 Landing Instructions- 4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw2Ue8uJ9oM

Flight Into Known Icing (FIKI) Conditions Demonstration - PC-12 Ice Control Systems Reviewed - 4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFAnUgg-n4

Very nicely produced videos. Thank you. I guess I need to do some more checkng...

Edit: looks like Carenado's PC-12 will be included in MSFS 2024.
MSFS 2024 Aircraft lineup - Discussion Hub / MSFS 2024 - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

I’ve not flown the SWS PC12 for a while as it’s outside my simming season at the moment, so won’t have flown the latest version.

However, I remember it being really nice to fly…apart from the last 500ft of you where you definitely need to own a set of rudder pedals, it seemed very hard work, I don’t know how realistic that is.

It’s really nice in visuals. Sounds , and flight model feel, apart from the aforementioned landing which everyone seems to have issues with.

I only have the SWS version, but I personally think it's quite enjoyable. It certainly flies very differently than most other addons in MSFS (even high-quality addons like the Blackbird 310R). I assume the type of controller hardware makes a difference on how enjoyable it is. I have a long-travel Fulcrum Yoke and Thrustmaster TPR pedals. I'm sure the experience would be quite different with a twist stick. 

With my hardware (and using linear control profiles), the SWS PC-12 requires MUCH more aggressive control inputs than most planes in MSFS, especially at low speeds on approach. I can't claim to have any real-world experience in a PC-12, but this strikes me as realistic from the cockpit videos I've seen of pilots moving the yoke quite a lot on final approach.

The corollary of all this is that the SWS PC-12 feels extremely stable. In my experience, it is the exact opposite of twitchy. When I think "twitchy", I think of an airplane that responds too much to small control inputs, making it difficult to finesse the controls and point the nose where I want it without overshooting and overcorrecting. The SWS PC-12 is the opposite of that. It's really quite refreshing to fly a relatively small airplane in MSFS that doesn't feel like it's getting thrown all over the place by small control inputs. 

The main drawback is the yaw behavior. It has been discussed extensively on SWS's discord. I get the sense that the current behavior is a compromise that has some advantages and drawbacks. The behavior of the turn coordinator ball certainly seems odd and counterintuitive. At first, I was distracted by it. When I realized that it wouldn't be quickly fixed and that SWS evidently intentionally chose the configuration they did to capture other aspects of the way the real airplane behaves, I started focusing less on the turn coordinator and more on looking outside. When I do that, I am less bothered by the yaw behavior. I do think it needs improvement in that regard, and I'm glad to hear the new update will be addressing the yaw behavior. 

Anyway, I enjoy the plane. Hopefully those additional details will help you decide if you'd enjoy it. It's definitely unique and handles unlike almost any other plane I own for MSFS.