Request for those happy customers with the SWS PC-12: please post a screenshot of your controller curves (yoke and rudder).

Edited July 14, 20241 yr by lupedelupe

9 hours ago, bigifooti said:

Have a look on SWS dsciord on development updates https://discord.gg/Ns7GkWW

Thanks for this very helpful link.

I joined the Discord channel and read through the posts and message thread regarding the yaw issue. While it's good that the dev is following up, the bad news is that it's still an issue after many months which makes me wonder if it's unfixable. 
 

3 hours ago, jwhak said:

Pay attention to YD shut it off prior to landing at a few hundred ft and step on the ball 😉

There was a post in the Discord channel suggesting to turn the YD off on the downwind or before entering the pattern, but I'm wondering if that also fixes the yawing when the flaps are set to 40 degrees.

6 hours ago, ricka47 said:

I have both but feel the same way. I thought for sure it would be a big improvement over the Carenado. It's one of the few purchases that I really regret. Like you said, maybe it's me. But, I don't like it.

I have SWS' Van-10 and Van-14 and I also viewed the interview with fellow developer FSReborn which is why I'm thinking the PC-12 might be a good buy.
 

5 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

I own the SWS. Great plane if they ever fix it. Very slow to get patches out.

Certainly if they fix it that would be the one to get.

If your willing to wait, just keep an eye out for the next patches and see if people feel it is now flyable

Never use it. Worst buy I have done so far for addon planes.

and IMO having to change your whole setup just to get it going properly is not a solution.

Makes sense. Could be that the dev is waiting to release a fix after MSFS 2024 becomes available but that might just raise more issues there.  Now really unsure about whether I should buy. Thank you.
 

7 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

The only problem I have is trying to work out how to get my the PMS GTN 750 into the SWS cockpit. Haven’t managed it yet..

I have the PMS version of the GTN. Does it work with the PC-12? I'm hoping that placing the GTN along with the PC-12 in the community folder and it has this "it just works" simplicity (and unlike what it was configuring Reality-XP gauges for some planes in P3D).

3 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

Thanks for this very helpful link.

I joined the Discord channel and read through the posts and message thread regarding the yaw issue. While it's good that the dev is following up, the bad news is that it's still an issue after many months which makes me wonder if it's unfixable. 
 

The yawing is not an issue as long as you fly the PC12 as it is intended (it's not an aircraft that you throw around like smaller GA). With best intentions for me there is no yawing issue and actually really fun learning curve. 

 

3 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

There was a post in the Discord channel suggesting to turn the YD off on the downwind or before entering the pattern, but I'm wondering if that also fixes the yawing when the flaps are set to 40 degrees.

When you are stable on final say ~500ft AGL you turn of the YD. 

Simworks and all the youtubers who said it was great should be held monitarial responsible. The plane is pathetic from start to finish. Stay away. I never watch those guys that indorsed it on youtube.

14 hours ago, lupedelupe said:

I like the SWS in many ways, but the yawing is hopelessly unrealistic. Some folks seem to have this problem (like I do), some not. That in itself is alarming (and yes I have spent more time building and crafting controller profiles for this than flying the darned thing).

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I dont know if it's my old Saitek combat pro pedals or what but the yaw and coordinated flight in the SWS just isn't working for me at all.  Still can't really do crosswind landings in that bird.  It feels like I either have too much rudder authority, or none at all hehe.

Other than that the SWS is the winner overall.  Way better sounds, system depth etc.  One thing I don't love about the sws is the placement of the gtn 650 on top of the 750...it's kinda weird.  But I believe the 750 still controls nav1/comm1.  The CDI button on the GTNs is disabled and you must use the button on the center console to swap the cdi - another odd thing for me...but not a major issue by any means.

I'd say visuals are tied between C and SWS - I did a few paints for both, the SWS was pretty easy to work with livery-creation wise.

If you're just looking to load at the runway and go....maaaaybe carenado?  But if you want to put forth some effort into a realistic flight go with SWS.  Just be prepared to aggressively use your rudder pedals if there's a stiff crosswind.

1 hour ago, cchiozza said:

Simworks and all the youtubers who said it was great should be held monitarial responsible. The plane is pathetic from start to finish. Stay away. I never watch those guys that indorsed it on youtube.

The only two YouTubers I trust that I have seen  are “Into the Blue Simulations” and “AvAngel”.

1 hour ago, cchiozza said:

Simworks and all the youtubers who said it was great should be held monitarial responsible. The plane is pathetic from start to finish. Stay away. I never watch those guys that indorsed it on youtube.

Most youtuber pilots have never flown a real airplane…..

The SWS PC-12 flies very well. I don’t see anything pathetic.

3 hours ago, Flyfox said:

Most youtuber pilots have never flown a real airplane…..

The SWS PC-12 flies very well. I don’t see anything pathetic.

You dont have to fly the plane in real life to know when it flys like it is on rails and drifts down the runway on takeoff and landing to know it is incorrect. 

@bofhlusr I made 5 tutorial videos and 2 IFR videos with the Carenado PC-12 and found that it adheres closely to the real world POH. All avionic functions performed as they should. You may find Video 5 of particular interest comparing real world to sim values.

Pilatus PC-12 Cold & Dark Startup - Real World Step by Step Instructions- 4K - Carenado PC12 Video 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq91Rbaxoew

Pilatus PC-12 Takeoff, Climb, Cruise- Real World Step by Step Instructions- 4K Carenado PC12 Video 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI4S05aLMc

Pilatus PC-12 Change Flight Level Tutorial - Altitude Preselector - 4K Carenado PC12 Video 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5t7O5O-Uw

Pilatus PC-12 Descent, Approach & Landing Real World Step by Step Instruc. Carenado PC12 Video 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7-suESL5o

Pilatus PC-12 Takeoff & Landing Distances - Real World vs Flight Simulator - Carenado PC12 - Video 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlYBf7KRud0

IMC Flight to Teterboro Airport- Full IFR Flight KISP to KTEB - ILS RWY 19 Landing Instructions- 4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw2Ue8uJ9oM

Flight Into Known Icing (FIKI) Conditions Demonstration - PC-12 Ice Control Systems Reviewed - 4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFAnUgg-n4

 

 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Gulf76 said:

The only two YouTubers I trust that I have seen  are “Into the Blue Simulations” and “AvAngel”.

and: https://www.youtube.com/@thecorporatepilotdad

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

and: https://www.youtube.com/@thecorporatepilotdad

I haven’t watched him. I’ll check out his videos. Thanks!

9 hours ago, cchiozza said:

You dont have to fly the plane in real life to know when it flys like it is on rails and drifts down the runway on takeoff and landing to know it is incorrect. 

At least with my settings it neither flies like on rails not does it "drift down the runway on takeoff and landing" (I am actually unsure what you mean here). It feels pretty real. I sim-fly exclusively in VR and I am holder of a PPL with several hundred hours in single-engine aircraft. My personal tip; give it a try if you don't have it installed already.

I think that I saw somewhere that MSFS24 would include a PC-12? Maybe I'm hallucinating again (grew up in the 60s). If that's the case, I'd guess it would be the Carenado version.

 

1 hour ago, Flyfox said:

Al menos con mi configuración no vuela como sobre raíles ni se "desliza por la pista durante el despegue y el aterrizaje" (en realidad no estoy seguro de lo que quieres decir aquí). Se siente bastante real. Vuelo en modo de simulación exclusivamente en realidad virtual y tengo una licencia PPL con varios cientos de horas en aviones monomotores. Mi consejo personal: pruébalo si aún no lo tienes instalado.

All aircraft do figure skating on the ground, it's a problem with MFS physics and although it has improved a little with SU15 I expect it to improve in 2024.