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Tragic AT72 crash at Sao Paulo (BRA) today.

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From The Aviation Herald :

" A Voepass Linhas Aereas Avions de Transport Regional ATR-72-212A, registration PS-VPB performing flight 2Z-2283 from Cascavel,PR to Sao Paulo Guarulhos,SP (Brazil) with 58 passengers and 4 crew, was in the initial approach at FL170, when the aircraft spun out of control and crashed into a residential area on approach to Sao Paulo coming down in Villa Santa Fe, SP (Brazil) about 7nm southeast of Viracopos Airport and about 40nm northwest of Guarulhos Airport at about 13:22L (16:22Z). The aircraft broke into several parts and burst into flames. The airline confirmed the aircraft carrying 58 passengers and 4 crew had an accident near Vinhedo, SP (Brazil), circumstances of the accident as well as situation of the people on board are yet unknown."

Video of the crash:

Pic of the crash

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1283x856/image_078b573b98f266fd463084c2c344625fe84e8014.png

Terrible.
That really is in a spin isn’t it, quite often the media and public incorrectly describe an aircraft as being in a spin , but that aircraft was in a full aerodynamic spin.

I’m guessing some major asymmetry from the prop disks could have been at play to get into that state.

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It's heart-wrenching to see another tragic day in aviation. RIP!

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Obviously it is not possible to make any hypothesis about the causes of this accident, however it is worth noting that other pilots who flew in the path of the crashed ATR 72 reported ice formations in flight.

2 minutes ago, RobPol471 said:

in the path of the crashed ATR 72 reported ice formations in flight.

Not again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Flight_4184 😢

May all the souls on board rest in peace.

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It is Winter there at the moment, it was overcast in the video and raining when the media showed up, to me looks like severe icing

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11 minutes ago, Matthew Kane said:

It is Winter there at the moment, it was overcast in the video and raining when the media showed up, to me looks like severe icing

There was a report of heavy icing reported in the area at FL120/210.

The flight's cruising altitude was 17,000 feet.

SBCW SIGMET 9 VALID 091530/091930 SBCW - SBCW CURITIBA FIR SEV ICE FCST WI FL120/210 STNR NC=

Icing again on an ATR?. I doubt it's the same problem that happened to several ATRs during their first years of commercial operation, due to a design flaw in the wing ice-protection system. Hopefully the investigation will conclude what exactly happened this time.

Definitively ATR has not a good track record regarding fatal accidents.

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This guy has some good analysis 

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21 minutes ago, jon b said:

This guy has some good analysis 

Yes, he makes some very salient points. Did I hear him correctly that he flew for a time in Ukraine?

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3 hours ago, RobPol471 said:

From the track detected on Flightradar24, the ATR 72 took off at 14.58 (UTC) and reached the cruising altitude at 17,000 feet with a speed of 300 KTS until 16.20 (UTC) when in less than two minutes it fell to 4000 feet when the recording ended.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/2z2283#368e25db

Have you seen the aircraft's continuing speed changes? Very peculiar if you ask me. You can see the flight data (speed and height) by clicking the small "graph" icon under Time.

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37 minutes ago, Wildblue said:

Hai visto i continui cambiamenti di velocità dell'aereo? Molto singolare, se me lo chiedi. Puoi vedere i dati di volo (velocità e altezza) cliccando sulla piccola icona "grafico" sotto Tempo.

I did not take into account the ground speed because the significant variations in speed were recorded throughout the "entire flight" and I do not know if they are reliable because it would seem strange to me that the plane arrived and constantly maintained the cruising altitude at 17,000 feet for over an hour with all those significant and rapid variations in speed without, at least up to now, there being no reports from the pilots or from the air traffic controllers of these abnormal variations in speed during the flight until 16.20 UTC when the ATR 72 crashed to the ground.

Obviously, it will be the data from the black box, found almost intact, that will establish what the speeds were during the flight and, I hope, what caused this disaster.

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