I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here?! MS Store suffers from problems as well, as does the EPIC launcher, EA Store etc etc. it's like you're failing to accept that Steam is a decent platform and there's very little reason not to run MSFS through it, millions of us do just fine, so again "steam users have issues" is nonsensical because "MSFS users have issues" as well...pointless argument!

8 minutes ago, MarcG said:

I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here?! MS Store suffers from problems as well, as does the EPIC launcher, EA Store etc etc. it's like you're failing to accept that Steam is a decent platform and there's very little reason not to run MSFS through it, millions of us do just fine, so again "steam users have issues" is nonsensical because "MSFS users have issues" as well...pointless argument!

Do you usually engage in pointless arguments?  If so, why?

My point has always been simply this:  Steam adds exactly nothing except the potential for issues surrounding Steam itself.  If the Store installer was defective that would be another story but it's not, it's dependable and has been streamlined to idio_t-proof level.  I told you of a problem I had 2 weeks ago that was a direct result of Steam being the app used to purchase Ghost Recon: Wildlands.  When the app would not open, no could run GRW.  That is used a fresh simple example for how adding another layer between app and user brings up the potential for its own issues.  

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

Do you usually engage in pointless arguments?  If so, why?

My point has always been simply this:  Steam adds exactly nothing except the potential for issues surrounding Steam itself.  If the Store installer was defective that would be another story but it's not, it's dependable and has been streamlined to idio_t-proof level.  I told you of a problem I had 2 weeks ago that was a direct result of Steam being the app used to purchase Ghost Recon: Wildlands.  When the app would not open, no could run GRW.  That is used a fresh simple example for how adding another layer between app and user brings up the potential for its own issues.  

nope not getting it, MS Store (as mentioned by others) is "another layer", one issue with a completely different game and you're convinced Steam is the devil with MSFS for some 🙃 absolutely bizarre

Just now, MarcG said:

nope not getting it, MS Store (as mentioned by others) is "another layer", one issue with a completely different game and you're convinced Steam is the devil with MSFS for some 🙃 absolutely bizarre

You're not getting it because you don't want to as you prefer to proceed ahead, ironically, in what you call a pointless argument.  Your tact is to create rhetorical bait like this, "you're convinced Steam is the devil with MSFS...." when really what I said was Steam is unnecessary to install and maintain MSFS, period.  The story I reported to you was a fresh example of how Steam can fail just like all software of its complexity.

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

You're not getting it because you don't want to as you prefer to proceed ahead, ironically, in what you call a pointless argument.  Your tact is to create rhetorical bait like this, "you're convinced Steam is the devil with MSFS...." when really what I said was Steam is unnecessary to install and maintain MSFS, period.  The story I reported to you was a fresh example of how Steam can fail just like all software of its complexity.

But steam isn't "unnecessary", it's another option just like MS Store is or Xbox is, that's what you're not understanding and you seem intent on bringing up "issues" to do with Steam to try an convince yourself that your choice of using the MS Store is above and beyond everything else. Steam is just fine, deal with it!

I have Steam MSFS. I don't have the issues that the store bought MSFS report in this forum all the time.

I never buy anything from the MSFS store, even apps etc. not related to flight simming.

If Bezos' Amazon purchase cart was like the MS store, then Jeff would still be selling books out of his garage. His cart system does not look modern but it works every time. And help is easy to get. (Because wages are dirt cheap in India which allows Bezos to have a very large army of them, all speaking their broken English. Which is wonderful because there's never any waiting to get help).

 

2 hours ago, MarcG said:

But steam isn't "unnecessary", it's another option just like MS Store is or Xbox is, that's what you're not understanding and you seem intent on bringing up "issues" to do with Steam to try an convince yourself that your choice of using the MS Store is above and beyond everything else. Steam is just fine, deal with it!

Yes I've always said Steam is just fine, I just have no need for it in MSFS management, as Steam offers nothing good in this context.  As a general philosophy I prefer everything to be under one roof as much as possible.  As I see it the edge goes to Microsoft when their Store is used, when the in-sim Marketplace is used and so forth.  I see the most important piece of all is the survival and success of MSFS and to that end I try to support that.

This thread points to how convoluted dealing with both MS and Steam on something as simple as a purchase becomes, simply because of the added layer of Steam:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/627679-msfs-marketplacesteam-purchase-turned-into-a-mess/

Of course Steam per se isn't at fault here, it's just de facto the case when you add layers the potential for issues generally increase.

2 hours ago, Fielder said:

I never buy anything from the MSFS store, even apps etc. not related to flight simming.

I do, they've all worked and updated perfectly every time.

MSFS works fine through Steam on my PC.

Edited October 1, 20241 yr by Christopher Low

21 hours ago, Noel said:

It's the same here:  launch MSFS, up pops the Mandatory Update message, press button and Voila! Update installed.  Once MSFS is installed Sim Updates and World Updates don't use the Store app per se it just is as stated so it's all internal to the sim.   You don't actually need to use Steam to update the sim, do you?  If so that's an extra step.

No, it's all within the sim to update. The checking for updates screen comes up and then the page showing a mandatory update. In the time I had the MS store version it was not like that.  When I first got the release version from MS, and all during the Alpha before that,  you had to go to the MS Store and try to figure out what you needed to do. If it had been like you describe, I woudn't have  felt the need to get it from Steam!  I'm happy with the way it is now, so I'll be sticking with Steam for MSFS2024...

 

Thanks for the info!

 

Russ

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Edited October 1, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

21 hours ago, Noel said:

It's the same here:  launch MSFS, up pops the Mandatory Update message, press button and Voila! Update installed.  Once MSFS is installed Sim Updates and World Updates don't use the Store app per se it just is as stated so it's all internal to the sim.   You don't actually need to use Steam to update the sim, do you?  If so that's an extra step.

When there is an update that includes changes to the core install files and exe, those are downloaded through steam, just like how the store app downloads those on the MS Store version

in-sim updates are just for files in the ‘official’ folder.

Edited October 1, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

14 hours ago, Noel said:

As a general philosophy I prefer everything to be under one roof as much as possible

And that’s why I have msfs on steam. Because that’s where 90+% of my game/sim collection is.

Edited October 1, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

Are we really trying to paint the MS Store system like it's not a middle-man exactly like Steam and a bad one at that? It's a storefront that also requires updates and uses a separate interface to work with, that serves you encrypted files dependent on an account to even use and decrypt for usage, one with its own share of issues and a notorious reputation at that for authentication issues and other account related problem. I'm on the LTSC versions of Windows, I don't even HAVE the MS Store, so that supposed native not-a-middle-man-software experience is "mysteriously" absent. Oh and god forbid you use any popular software or scripts to mess with Microsoft's many telemetry options or all their other junk Windows comes with, you might just run into some fun issues with your Store content.

Hell, you can't even access your purchase if you're on Linux and want to run MSFS with Proton or something or any other unsupported platform. So that nasty middle-man called Steam actually gives you more freedom to access your content, in an unencrypted manner.

 

 

Purchased MSFS on day 1 from the MS Store and never had an issue with it. Also my (few) store purchases wen't without any issues whatsoever. I also use Steam and did not encounter any issues in my years of use.

To debate upon which is better is a waste of time IMHO. Those who had issues with Steam, will probably choose the Store, and the other way around.

As a side note: a vast majority of users here are sharing the opinion to buy things directly from the developer. I wonder why this does not generaly apply to MS as well 😉 (this is why I originaly went with the Store and will probably choose it again).