14 minutes ago, Ident said:

Yet heres my take, how many of these xbox users are trying/using it on gamepass where they own it by default and it cost them nothing. A product that they tried and didnt like but later can try again. Asobo owns the hardcore simmers attention and while not every MSFS2020, P3D or XPlane user is ready to make the switch or add it to their collection of software they use, they also arent going to loss them forever either.

I know nothing about steam except I use it for games that arent available on DVD or from the actual developer. I honestly dont understand the logic of any simmer who buys XPlane or MSFS on steam adding an extra layer between the developer and end user.

Again, these aren't xbox users.  These are Steam users

You know nothing about Steam than you use it for games not available on DVD? Don't remember the last thing I installed with a DVD LOL

A lot of people here have purchased MSFS via Steam. It's a pretty decent size platform.  You are really talking apples and oranges to the entire point of the article but ok.

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by psolk

9 hours ago, Mike T said:

Look, I know 24 is the way forward, and in two years, most of us will have migrated to it. There's no denying that. But somehow, right now, I feel like the emperor has no clothes.

Come now it's been a total of 9 days post launch.  And way more importantly:  MS/A now has 4+ years of experience in how to address issues and that is compounded by new architecture and enhanced multithreading.  Give it at least 3-4 weeks before drawing too many conclusions and the emperor is fully aware of some clothes that are still hanging in his closet 😉

The bad steam reviews are totally expected given the botched release, underestimating of user load, etc. Now as they begin to get past the streaming and server-load issues (in what appears to be most cases), the reviews and bugs going forward are what I'm interested in (and many of those exist of course).. i.e. bugs that are not due to streaming or server load issues, or due to this 2020 marketplace incompatibility thing.  But ya the steam reviews average is certainly going to be bogged down by the initial negative experiences, until more and more new ratings start to get added over the coming weeks/months.
 

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by lwt1971

21 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

the steam reviews average is certainly going to be bogged down by the initial negative experiences,

Exactly, that’s why I wrote a balanced but positive review on Steam.

The one and only time I’ve reviewed anything on Steam.

Precisely, for this reason.

More balanced post launch and very positive... 90/100

That what we all want to see. 

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/sim/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-review/

On 11/27/2024 at 7:53 PM, Bobsk8 said:

riddled with defects

2024 is not riddled with defects. That's the impression people must have, who don't have the sim and are listening only to those voices that support their confirmation bias.

3 hours ago, psolk said:

Again, this is not good for any simmer and I hope it's not indicative of the long term success of the sim of course, no simmer would ever want a sim to fail

Sorry, but given that you’ve turned up on every thread talking about the positives to tell people they’re wrong, that actually it’s terrible and look! See all the negative reviews! It must be terrible! its difficult to imagine you’re interested in it doing it well. It’s much easier to imagine you're one of the set who’ve backed yourself into a corner now because of your extreme negative reaction at the beginning, you have no choice but to keep trying to persuade everyone else that it sucks because you’ve been saying it so loudly and so regularly from the beginning.

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but the Steam reviews which you put so much store in in your own feelings about the sim, have now moved up from overwhelmingly negative, to mostly negative, to mixed. So it looks like you’re gonna have to work a bit harder to persuade us that you’re right, and that actually it sucks.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2537590/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2024/

40 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Sorry, but given that you’ve turned up on every thread talking about the positives to tell people they’re wrong, that actually it’s terrible and look! See all the negative reviews! It must be terrible! its difficult to imagine you’re interested in it doing it well. It’s much easier to imagine you're one of the set who’ve backed yourself into a corner now because of your extreme negative reaction at the beginning, you have no choice but to keep trying to persuade everyone else that it sucks because you’ve been saying it so loudly and so regularly from the beginning.

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but the Steam reviews which you put so much store in in your own feelings about the sim, have now moved up from overwhelmingly negative, to mostly negative, to mixed. So it looks like you’re gonna have to work a bit harder to persuade us that you’re right, and that actually it sucks.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2537590/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2024/

Gee, you must have missed where I also posted a later article I found talking about the positives "since" the launch before coming after me with your own assumptions and assertions. The word sucks has never come out of my mouth.  I own 24, I pre purchased.  I will transition in time.  Why would I want it to fail? Because I dare to criticize or question? Because I don't understand a lot of their decisions? I don't need to persuade anyone to think anything, we all believe whatever we like.  I posted an article that showed up in my Google feed which means others who have MSFS in their Google feeds are seeing the same detrimental articles.  

You really make a lot of assumptions about me personally.  Why would I possibly be disappointed if it succeeds???  I have also repeatedly praised them for the level of detail they have been able to deliver and have said based on 2020 I believe they will deliver. Please keep the discussion about the SIM and not people personally. Your entire post is ad hominem. 

 

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by psolk

4 minutes ago, psolk said:

Because I dare to criticize or question?

Yes, I’m sure you think you’re very brave by making sure to respond to any positive threads or reviews with your own counter that it’s wrong because look at all the negative reviews I can quote. Oh, but here’s one positive so I can appear balanced. 

I think success or failure of the sim is second place to you needing to show you’re right and others are wrong. 

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by scotchegg

Right about what? Think I'm brave?  Nothing about posting on any forum makes me think I'm  brave after what I've been through the past six weeks... Trust me, I know what bravery is when they are intubating you and telling you to fight...  

Don't make assumptions about people. Don't make it personal.  

The sim will succeed or fail without me, I'm irrelevant lol. I don't have some narcissistic grand fantasy that my opinion means squat to anyone else LOL.  😉

You are putting words in my mouth, making assumptions, passing judgement on me and since you are still intent on posting about me personally I'm done.  

We can agree to disagree without having to be personal and  commenting about each other. 

You could have just said I think you've been a bit over the top lately and I would have respected that and toned it down if that's how I am coming across without the rest of your personal commentary.   I don't want to be that person and absolutely apologize if that is how I have come across.  

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by psolk

50 minutes ago, psolk said:

We can agree to disagree without having to be personal and  commenting about each other.  You could have just said I think you've been a bit over the top lately and I would have respected that

I’m sorry I focused on what I think are your motivations, I can see how that comes across as a bit low.

It does come on the back of a sustained effort by yourself however to respond to any positive comments or threads with links to bad reviews, not responding to the actual positive points, just throwing negative reviews back. In this very thread, despite saying ‘let’s talk about the sim’, you haven’t talked about the sim once. You’ve talked about how this kind of disastrous launch wouldn’t have been tolerated at your company, and that it must be bad because all the reviews are bad. There are already, I’m sure you can agree, a shed load of threads complaining. To come into one of the rare ones saying ‘actually, it’s really good’ to tell them they’re wrong because of all the Steam reviews, this would never have happened where I work etc. might also be a bit, erm, over the top?

6 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

I’m sorry I focused on what I think are your motivations, I can see how that comes across as a bit low.

It does come on the back of a sustained effort by yourself however to respond to any positive comments or threads with links to bad reviews, not responding to the actual positive points, just throwing negative reviews back. In this very thread, despite saying ‘let’s talk about the sim’, you haven’t talked about the sim once. You’ve talked about how this kind of disastrous launch wouldn’t have been tolerated at your company, and that it must be bad because all the reviews are bad. There are already, I’m sure you can agree, a shed load of threads complaining. To come into one of the rare ones saying ‘actually, it’s really good’ to tell them they’re wrong because of all the Steam reviews, this would never have happened where I work etc. might also be a bit, erm, over the top?

Fair play, point taken I can see and respect how that can come across... 

Apologies to the O/P for the hijack.  

 

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by psolk

I wonder if microsoft actually broke any records of having the most UNHAPPY customers of ALL time????

2 minutes ago, Daytona125 said:

I wonder if microsoft actually broke any records of having the most UNHAPPY customers of ALL time????

Pretty sure CrowdStrike still owns that one LOL  

My story with MSFS2024 has been up and down.  I skipped all the launch drama, so no server issues for me.  Sorry but anyone who expected launch to go smootlhy were living in a fantasy land.  

Got my brand new PC (was time for an upgrade anyway) and now that my MSFS2020 marketplace addons are finally disabled, the sim is just fantastic.  

There's frustrations of course, but this sim looks amazing.  2020 looked amazing, but the details in 2024 are crazy.  There's a tiny little drainage stream not far from my house.  It actually shows in the sim now.  I can land the Jetson 1 (try this little thing out if you haven't already) on the hill where I walk my dogs.  That stuff was kind of there in 2020, but is so much more detailed.  A tiny little corner of the world where nobody else knows or cares, but it is there.  

As a GA flyer, MSFS 2024 is just amazing.  I get the frustrations for you airliner jocks.  I just want to cruise around in my light GA and look at the scenery.