39 minutes ago, psolk said:

So if I launch AIGTC should I uncheck the AIG option?  I have been running with AIG enabled without AIGTC but want more "enroute" traffic so I launched AIGTC this flight.  Should I uncheck AIG or is it ok to run both checked? 

It's up to you - you can leave it checked.
Then traffic will be taken from AIG database (old mode) and also what AIGTC sends to FSHud (external traffic source) - duplicates will be filtered.

1 hour ago, FSHud said:

It's up to you - you can leave it checked.
Then traffic will be taken from AIG database (old mode) and also what AIGTC sends to FSHud (external traffic source) - duplicates will be filtered.

@FSHud, I'm still not sure how to set Traffic Control when using FSLTL Traffic models... Here are the possibilities:

A) I just have the FSLTL models folder in the Community folder, start the simulator and then FSHUD and I want to see Traffic using those 3d models. What options do I have to inject Traffic that uses the FSLTL 3d models and can ne controlled by FSHUD? What settings should I use?

B) The way I have been doing it is by starting FS 2024, then FSHUD then the FSLTL Traffic injector. In the FSHUD settings I use ONLY "Enable" in Simulator Traffic. I do see aircraft models from FSLTL 3d models being injected and FSHUD controls those aircraft too. Could I Skip the use of the FSLTL injector and still be able to see the FSLTL 3d models being injected and controlled by FSHUD? How?

C) How can I use the default fs2024 aircraft models but no default ATC, and use FSHUD to Control the native fs2024 Traffic?

Thanks!

Edited September 20, 2025Sep 20 by jcomm

13 minutes ago, jcomm said:

@FSHud, I'm still not sure how to set Traffic Control when using FSLTL Traffic models... Here are the possibilities:

A) I just have the FSLTL models folder in the Community folder, start the simulator and then FSHUD and I want to see Traffic using those 3d models. What options do I have to inject Traffic that uses the FSLTL 3d models and can ne controlled by FSHUD? What settings should I use?

B) The way I have been doing it is by starting FS 2024, then FSHUD then the FSLTL Traffic injector. In the FSHUD settings I use ONLY "Enable" in Simulator Traffic. I do see aircraft models from FSLTL 3d models being injected and FSHUD controls those aircraft too. Could I Skip the use of the FSLTL injector and still be able to see the FSLTL 3d models being injected and controlled by FSHUD? How?

C) How can I use the default fs2024 aircraft models but no default ATC, and use FSHUD to Control the native fs2024 Traffic?

Thanks!

A) In this case - you can only rely on MSFS that uses FSLTL (or any other add-on) models in it's standard injections - turn on MSFS default traffic, no changes needs to be done in FSHud (traffic is intercepted from Simulator on the same way).

B) FSHud will keep operating intercepted AI Traffic flights and aircrft, however new flights and aircraft wouldn't be added (this responsibility on FSLTL).

C) Currently it is not possible to use default MSFS 2024 aircraft models (because models are streamed directly from cloud) - it is mentioned in our traffic settins guide:
https://www.fshud.com/site/knowledge/traffic-settings-v2

1 hour ago, FSHud said:

A) In this case - you can only rely on MSFS that uses FSLTL (or any other add-on) models in it's standard injections - turn on MSFS default traffic, no changes needs to be done in FSHud (traffic is intercepted from Simulator on the same way).

B) FSHud will keep operating intercepted AI Traffic flights and aircrft, however new flights and aircraft wouldn't be added (this responsibility on FSLTL).

C) Currently it is not possible to use default MSFS 2024 aircraft models (because models are streamed directly from cloud) - it is mentioned in our traffic settins guide:
https://www.fshud.com/site/knowledge/traffic-settings-v2

Thanks FSHUD 👍 I guess I finally understood.

Just tried enabling default FS 2024 Traffic in real time mode, and FSHUD controlled it because I had Flight Simulator Traffic enabled.

Works great!

But I will probably keep using FSLTL Traffic injector instead. It alsonworks beautifully with FSHUD.

Just a Big Thumbs up! for FSHUD 2, latest beta.

It's now my preferred if not for other reasons because it manages ground traffic more efficiently than either default or BATC, and that means a lot for me.

Have had a total of 5 flights, all perfect and rewarding!!!

So I am back to FSHUD driving AIG for now until I complete some more testing

FSHUD Controlling AIG:  Stable flights, CPU and GPU temps/utilization ~50C

FSHUD Controlling AIG + AIGTC active, FSHUD enabled in TC and External enabled in FSHUD:  CPU temps  60-80C, CPU usage fluctuating from 60% to 85% and 5 out of 6 flights CTD'd

Reverted back to my first and original setup and disabled External, didn't launch AIGTC and CPU temps/utilization both stabilized at 50% and 50C and completed the same KEWR-RJAA flight that CTD'd with the AIGTC and FSHUD setup above.  

 

What I have not tested yet is AIGTC active + External in FSHUD with the AIG option disabled in FSHUD.  In other words I don't know if it is truly AIGTC using the SDK causing MSFS to CTD -OR- the combination of AIG AND External traffic options enabled.

Either way AIGTC seems to add a tremendous amount of CPU usage/heat and the only benefit I can see is enroute traffic is FAR more robust with AIGTC running.  I can't say I see a "huge" difference at departure/landing airports, perhaps more variety but there is a big difference enroute, it's just irrelevant if it causes me CTD's... 

I will say, I don't remember my last CTD prior to enabling AIGTC but I also don't want to throw stones without hard proof, if could very well be a combination of things but I am 12 1/2 hours into KEWR-RJAA (going to watch MotoGP LOL) so 2 1/2 hours to go and if this flight is successful I will feel comfortable I am back to my stable baseline.  

Just my experience, yours may differ... 

Edited September 25, 2025Sep 25 by psolk

9 hours ago, psolk said:

So I am back to FSHUD driving AIG for now until I complete some more testing

FSHUD Controlling AIG:  Stable flights, CPU and GPU temps/utilization ~50C

FSHUD Controlling AIG + AIGTC active, FSHUD enabled in TC and External enabled in FSHUD:  CPU temps  60-80C, CPU usage fluctuating from 60% to 85% and 5 out of 6 flights CTD'd

Reverted back to my first and original setup and disabled External, didn't launch AIGTC and CPU temps/utilization both stabilized at 50% and 50C and completed the same KEWR-RJAA flight that CTD'd with the AIGTC and FSHUD setup above.  

 

What I have not tested yet is AIGTC active + External in FSHUD with the AIG option disabled in FSHUD.  In other words I don't know if it is truly AIGTC using the SDK causing MSFS to CTD -OR- the combination of AIG AND External traffic options enabled.

Either way AIGTC seems to add a tremendous amount of CPU usage/heat and the only benefit I can see is enroute traffic is FAR more robust with AIGTC running.  I can't say I see a "huge" difference at departure/landing airports, perhaps more variety but there is a big difference enroute, it's just irrelevant if it causes me CTD's... 

I will say, I don't remember my last CTD prior to enabling AIGTC but I also don't want to throw stones without hard proof, if could very well be a combination of things but I am 12 1/2 hours into KEWR-RJAA (going to watch MotoGP LOL) so 2 1/2 hours to go and if this flight is successful I will feel comfortable I am back to my stable baseline.  

Just my experience, yours may differ... 

then, are you using traffic simulator enabled?

 

If you use AIGTC with FSHud, you only need to enable external in FSHud ans FSHud in AIGTC

14 hours ago, psolk said:

So I am back to FSHUD driving AIG for now until I complete some more testing

FSHUD Controlling AIG:  Stable flights, CPU and GPU temps/utilization ~50C

FSHUD Controlling AIG + AIGTC active, FSHUD enabled in TC and External enabled in FSHUD:  CPU temps  60-80C, CPU usage fluctuating from 60% to 85% and 5 out of 6 flights CTD'd

Reverted back to my first and original setup and disabled External, didn't launch AIGTC and CPU temps/utilization both stabilized at 50% and 50C and completed the same KEWR-RJAA flight that CTD'd with the AIGTC and FSHUD setup above.  

 

What I have not tested yet is AIGTC active + External in FSHUD with the AIG option disabled in FSHUD.  In other words I don't know if it is truly AIGTC using the SDK causing MSFS to CTD -OR- the combination of AIG AND External traffic options enabled.

Either way AIGTC seems to add a tremendous amount of CPU usage/heat and the only benefit I can see is enroute traffic is FAR more robust with AIGTC running.  I can't say I see a "huge" difference at departure/landing airports, perhaps more variety but there is a big difference enroute, it's just irrelevant if it causes me CTD's... 

I will say, I don't remember my last CTD prior to enabling AIGTC but I also don't want to throw stones without hard proof, if could very well be a combination of things but I am 12 1/2 hours into KEWR-RJAA (going to watch MotoGP LOL) so 2 1/2 hours to go and if this flight is successful I will feel comfortable I am back to my stable baseline.  

Just my experience, yours may differ... 

Thanks for sharing your experience.
I think to clarify CPU high usage issue - all you need is to open Task Manager to see CPU consumption by AIGTC, FSHud and MSFS process (instead of looking on total CPU consumption).
This will give you a clear picture where is the problem of high CPU usage in this combination.

Regarding MSFS CTD - I guess it is the same bug that our end is suffering from (when reading MSFS scenery via MSFS SimConnect SDK - MSFS CTD at some airports):
https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/requestfacilitydata-for-esgf-airport-causes-ctd/14061

9 hours ago, FSHud said:

Thanks for sharing your experience.
I think to clarify CPU high usage issue - all you need is to open Task Manager to see CPU consumption by AIGTC, FSHud and MSFS process (instead of looking on total CPU consumption).
This will give you a clear picture where is the problem of high CPU usage in this combination.

Regarding MSFS CTD - I guess it is the same bug that our end is suffering from (when reading MSFS scenery via MSFS SimConnect SDK - MSFS CTD at some airports):
https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/requestfacilitydata-for-esgf-airport-causes-ctd/14061

It could be this...  I wonder if DD RJAA is impacted 🤔

9 hours ago, Kaiii3 said:

If you use AIGTC with FSHud, you only need to enable external in FSHud ans FSHud in AIGTC

Yep, I have yet to test this to see if it was the combination of the two that caused the CTD, hence why I'm not pointing the finger anywhere...

15 hours ago, motishow said:

then, are you using traffic simulator enabled?

 

For "now" I just have AIG selected in FSHUD.  I also need to test with "just" external selected and AIGTC.  But in either case AIGTC adds a pretty good resource hit so if it also works natively with FSHud but with the enroute limitations that may still be my preferred method.  

Thx everyone

Just a follow up however it is not AIGTC causing my RJAA CTD's. @Kaiii3 that's why I didn't want to rush to blame it earlier.

For some reason I absolutely can not complete a flight into RJAA.  Tried from UBBB and KEWR  Trying to reinstall the scenery now but 5/5 flights have CTD'd, most right on short final within 10 miles of the airport Even tried an approach from 100 miles out and CTD

Ruled out 

AIGTC, SamScene, RAAS, fs2crew, fshud, reinstalled RJAA so I'm wondering if this is the bug that was referenced above...

In any case, definitely not AIGTC

Edited September 27, 2025Sep 27 by psolk

3 hours ago, psolk said:

Just a follow up however it is not AIGTC causing my RJAA CTD's. @Kaiii3 that's why I didn't want to rush to blame it earlier.

For some reason I absolutely can not complete a flight into RJAA.  Tried from UBBB and KEWR  Trying to reinstall the scenery now but 5/5 flights have CTD'd, most right on short final within 10 miles of the airport Even tried an approach from 100 miles out and CTD

Ruled out 

AIGTC, SamScene, RAAS, fs2crew, fshud, reinstalled RJAA so I'm wondering if this is the bug that was referenced above...

In any case, definitely not AIGTC

Can you open a ticket at the time CTD happens and after MSFS completely get closed?
I will check if it is MSFS bug and what airport causes it.

1 hour ago, FSHud said:

Can you open a ticket at the time CTD happens and after MSFS completely get closed?
I will check if it is MSFS bug and what airport causes it.

Will do.

I also have the event viewer logs if that would help? 

On 9/18/2025 at 9:55 AM, FSHud said:

TRAFFIC SOURCE

Choose where AI traffic comes from and how it is handled.

Simulator traffic

Select one of the following modes:

Enable: FSHud - Air Traffic Control intercepts and integrates all AI traffic currently present in Flight Simulator, including traffic injected directly into Flight Simulator by third-party add-ons.

Remove: Removes all AI traffic that is currently present in Flight Simulator.

Ignore: Ignores all AI traffic currently present in Flight Simulator. This mode is not recommended because those aircraft will behave independently and remain invisible to FSHud - Air Traffic Control.

So, I'm using AIG traffic and I check this box in settings. Both BGL and External are unchecked. I've also disabled all traffic in MSFS settings. Which of the 3 modes should I use? Enable, Remove or Ignore?

Right now, since I'm not using any traffic driven by MSFS, I can't see any difference. In P3D mode this setting is not present.

Edited September 27, 2025Sep 27 by Luis Hernandez

57 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

So, I'm using AIG traffic and I check this box in settings. Both BGL and External are unchecked. I've also disabled all traffic in MSFS settings. Which of the 3 modes should I use? Enable, Remove or Ignore?

Right now, since I'm not using any traffic driven by MSFS, I can't see any difference. In P3D mode this setting is not present.

Hi Luis, Remove...  In that setup you don't use AIGTC and all traffic settings are within FSHUD.

If you want to use AIGTC then remove the AIG check box and use External and then select FSHud within AIGTC