December 28, 20241 yr I just watched a video, posted here https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/660173-open-mind-msfs-2024/page/4/#findComment-5310221 and while watching it noticed how good the photogrammetry looked in this video compared to mine. As an example i take the WTC tower in NYC. From the video: Now mine: and Mine always looked like the 2 last screenshots, now in 2024 and also in 2020. They just look ugly, even with OLOD set to 400. However, it seems possible to have good looking photogrammetry looking the first screenshot. What's the trick? I never found it in 2020 and still have the same issue in 2024. I'm just curious how to get it right... Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base & hegykc MFG Crosswind modded pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S for VR
December 28, 20241 yr The models in the video appear to be actual placed 3D models, the tower definitely isn't made from photogrammetry. [MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]
December 28, 20241 yr The author of that video has just confirmed that he has SamScene New York City Times installed. This is a rather good example of why I do not really like photogrammetry. If I had to accept building models that looked like that everywhere, I would be looking for another flight simulator. Edited December 28, 20241 yr by Christopher Low Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
December 28, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Christopher Low said: The author of that video has just confirmed that he has SamScene New York City Times installed. This is a rather good example of why I do not really like photogrammetry. If I had to accept building models that looked like that everywhere, I would be looking for another flight simulator. Also I don't think that Samscence has been updated for 2024 yet. Bill McIntyre Asus StrixB650E-F Gamer, AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D, Corsair Titanium DDR5 64GB, Samsung 990 PRO-4TB M.2, (4) 2TB SSD's, Corsair H1150i liquid cooler, RTX 2080TI Founders Edition, (2) LG 34" HD Curved Monitor, Sound Blaster Audigy X, 1Kw PC Power & Cooling Power Supply, Corsair Obsidian Full tower Case. MSFS 2024, WIN11 Pro x64
December 28, 20241 yr Based on that video, it seems to be working very well in MSFS 2024. EDIT: I think that you may have misunderstood my comment. I was referring to the awful look of the WTC Tower in those screenshots posted by Lange_666! Edited December 28, 20241 yr by Christopher Low Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
December 28, 20241 yr It's time shifting extrapolation. Your sim is showing you what New York City will look like in 2028... Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
December 28, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Lange_666 said: Mine always looked like the 2 last screenshots, now in 2024 and also in 2020. They just look ugly, even with OLOD set to 400. However, it seems possible to have good looking photogrammetry looking the first screenshot. What's the trick? I never found it in 2020 and still have the same issue in 2024. I'm just curious how to get it right... In general re: photogrammetry: TLOD needs to be high enough for the objects/buildings to be rendered fully (OLOD does not affect this). TLOD 200 is probably enough at low altitude. Also, bandwidth is important - if the connection to the servers aren't good enough (those "bandwidth not enough" messages), PG objects might get that melted look. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
December 28, 20241 yr Author Even with a TLOD of 360 and OLOD of 250 it still looks the same. It isn't really melted (I saw those to already) but to me it's a texture of a reflection (in the glass of the WTC tower) but that's pasted all over the tower (and other glass buildings in general). Didn't look nice in 2020, still doesn't look nice in 2024. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base & hegykc MFG Crosswind modded pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S for VR
December 28, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Lange_666 said: Even with a TLOD of 360 and OLOD of 250 it still looks the same. It isn't really melted (I saw those to already) but to me it's a texture of a reflection (in the glass of the WTC tower) but that's pasted all over the tower (and other glass buildings in general). Didn't look nice in 2020, still doesn't look nice in 2024. Strange. This is from a flight I did yesterday in 2024. I think I used a TLOD of 200. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
December 28, 20241 yr Let's see those buildings at close range, Captain Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
December 28, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Christopher Low said: Let's see those buildings at close range, Captain Haha okay then. Standby 🙂 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
December 28, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, Christopher Low said: Let's see those buildings at close range, Captain 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
December 28, 20241 yr Author They look the same as mine do. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base & hegykc MFG Crosswind modded pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S for VR
December 28, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, Lange_666 said: They look the same as mine do. Honestly for me, considering the alternative of generic rectangles in cities I know well, the photogrammetry is a good trade-off when you're not getting the infamous "melted buildings" I see so many complain about. In cities that I don't know very well or at all, rectangles with the occasional famous landmark are.... fine. We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
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