53 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Here's the pic I was talking about above.

No sign there of the grid @Noel has demonstrated.

1 minute ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I have never changed this, but with high sharpening, filters plus settings like this one must surely must be adding up to the issues you see?

Ever since picking up 4090 and detesting FG I began looking for ways to exploit 4090's power so moved Render Scale up as high as 160 and this made edges of everything as sharp as they would be in a photograph.  It's back down to 140 which is essentially as good at 160, IOW it hit diminishing returns with my 2020 visual acuity.

4 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

No sign there of the grid @Noel has demonstrated.

Be aware it is MUCH MORE subtle in-sim.  I enhanced the image so as to make it visible to all.  And the reality is I may only see there a few times during a 2h flight when lighting is just right.  But again, TAA offers the best IQ because for starters all ghosting/smearing goes bye bye, and preset K hardly touched this issue, though for me it's tolerable and I still use it, or C, in 2020.

Edited February 20, 20251 yr by Noel

8 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Interesting because preset K here is wonderful.

 

And it's identical to preset C here and I'll bet...there too.

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

And you watched the Youtube video that I posted as well? I don't know what to say if you can't tell the difference between MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 in that Youtube video I posted.  It's like night and day, some of the differences shown.

Just watch the very first comparison in that Youtube video of the Amazon forest (there are 3 Amazon forest comparisons, but I am referring to the very first one), in the same spot in MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024. That comparison alone looks like a 7 year difference in graphics technology (of course, it's a comparison at the ground level though, not 30K feet in the air):

Like, if you can't tell the difference between the first Amazon forest comparison (first of the three), I really don't know what to say.

why would you ever see that view though in a flight simulator?

even in a low and slow plane, I would imagine a root level view of trees can't be more than 5% of your time in the sim?

it does look amazing, but I'm more impressed by it as a world simulator, and hope they sell the tech for use in other games

18 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I couldn't believe how bad it was against true HDR 😁

I guarantee you if you looked at my screen you'd love it.  And also, the Details filter has nothing to do with HDR or contrast, it's only about sharpening detail. 

40 minutes ago, Noel said:

I guarantee you if you looked at my screen you'd love it.  And also, the Details filter has nothing to do with HDR or contrast, it's only about sharpening detail. 

I wonder if you have got used to an over sharpened image?  Might be useful to see a screenshot to match up with what others see.  You did use a filter to simulate HDR though as I remember.

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

I wonder if you have got used to an over sharpened image?  Might be useful to see a screenshot to match up with what others see.  You did use a filter to simulate HDR though as I remember.

Come now, "over sharpened"?  That's 1000% subjective don't you think?  Or put another way, maybe you've gotten use to an overly soft image and are fooled by HDR into thinking it's... wonderful?

Nope, no filters to simulate HDR.  I use NCP's desktop controls and find it's superior to HDR10 on my machine as it's setup.  Screenshots don't cut it they are compressed and useless to convey IQ in any serious fashion.  All I can tell you is I have 20/20 vision, am not color blind, and sit around 28" from my display and image clarity is as important here as it would be in a photograph.

7 minutes ago, Noel said:

Come now, "over sharpened"?  That's 1000% subjective don't you think?

Apologies, I didn't mean to actually suggest your sim is over sharpened, rather referring to your description of what you have done to increase sharpness - on my PC those settings would look well and truly over sharpened.  I seem to remember you used a filter to simulate HDR instead of true HDR, but that was a while back.

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

Apologies, I didn't mean to actually suggest your sim is over sharpened, rather referring to your description of what you have done to increase sharpness - on my PC those settings would look well and truly over sharpened.  I seem to remember you used a filter to simulate HDR instead of true HDR, but that was a while back.

I can also add I am ultra sensitive to animation quality, image quality and especially....artifacts from whatever graphic tricks are being applied.  I know many are seemingly hardly bothered by FG associated artifacts which are real, but I certainly am, can't stand them!  I can tell you I have zero artifacts w/ my sharpening methods--only clarity approaching or exceeding photo quality.  I can't imagine it getting much real looking.   PM me with your email perhaps I can send you an uncompressed screenshot saved as .tiff.  I just landed at KDEN, sent the drone up and took a shot.

8 hours ago, El Diablito said:

You know, I try to sit on the fence with these things and take onboard all the information that people casually throw out there but I've seen this line a few times and for the life of me can't see where the visuals are "head & shoulders" above 2020. Take the OP in this thread for a good example. I watched intently and at the end just threw my arms up, confused again. No difference whatsover. What am I supposed to be looking for here that is so dramatic its like looking at a different sim? I think people convince themselves too easily if I'm honest.

The video had great fluidity and clarity with lossless scaling and loved the working wipers.  Road traffic looks much better in 24. 

Outside of that I agree, the majority of the video looks like it could be 2020 0r 2024 to me and I have that same clarity and fluidity in 2020 now... 

I don't see a night and day difference personally or a "7 year difference in graphics technology "  in that video but heck, the last 4 pages haven't been about the video anyway LOL  

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Noel said:

Yep, everyone's hardware, software, exact configurations, preferences and perceptions all yield very inconsistent experiences. 

Exactly! Perceptions differ, it's just the way it is.

I've got the sharpening slider to default which is 100 I think. Max would appear to my eyes as massively over-sharpened.

HDR = massive improvement over SDR. Although - now that I'm back into making videos, I need to use SDR (as uploading a 4K HDR 1hr video to YT would take 12hrs lol). In that case, I might try that filter again. HDR toning was it? I've not tried any filters with 2024. 

Preset K is looking quite good on my display. I tried the secondary scaling method, but at 4K it puts too much of a load on my 4090. I'm not as sensitive to the ghosting as others - and I do think it's a bit better with DLSS4 + preset K vs DLSS3. 

I do understand that some people can't deal with the ghosting and prefer TAA though. 

Interestingly - I didn't really grasp what the BATC erratic AI movement discussion was about, until I decided to closely examine this - which led me to make that short video which is posted somewhere in a recent thread. Now I acknowledge that the issue is there - but I can still "unsee" it - in fact I haven't really paid much attention to it in my recent flights. Just goes to show how important perception is - making these type of discussions a bit tricky. 

Edited February 20, 20251 yr by Cpt_Piett

11 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

but I can still "unsee" it - in fact I haven't really paid much attention to it in my recent flights.

Last night I did some 2024, about the 14th flight so far and decided to try BATC' injection once again:  absolute heinous stuttering.  Different than in 2020, but more severe, more rhythmic, etc.  

Do I need to turn on FSLTL's injector for FSHud to be able to use it in its ATC instructions?  Or does FSHud not work with FSLTL's models?  I chose External injectors but no traffic appears.

 

45 minutes ago, Noel said:

I can also add I am ultra sensitive to animation quality, image quality and especially....artifacts from whatever graphic tricks are being applied.  I know many are seemingly hardly bothered by FG associated artifacts which are real, but I certainly am, can't stand them!

I sympathise with that view, because I too am sensitive to them. However, I'm willing to compromise a little if I gain much more back - fluidity is so good at 120fps I can unsee a few FG artifacts 🙂

46 minutes ago, psolk said:

The video had great fluidity and clarity with lossless scaling and loved the working wipers.

I have removed the NVidia app and thus its overlay, which I used for video capture.  Can anyone suggest a good app for Windows 11 to capture video?