35 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Care to elaborate on  "2D sprite based clouds"? I've no idea what this is. 

They are non-volumetric clouds using coloring and shading to give the impression of 3D clouds.  Here is a lower res image from REX for P3D v4 and probably FSX. 

I use 3 cloud layers at high level that look pretty nice.  Still need to make those wispy cirrus.

dd

4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Is it "heads and shoulders" better? I guess not - it's an evolution, not a revolution. 2020 looks awesome as well.

Indeed ;o)

39 minutes ago, Noel said:

Indeed ;o)

You know the sim is great if you can't go back to the previous version.  🙂

dd

9 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

 

I agree. There are also changes to the cloud color. They appear to be more naturally white vs the yellowish tint in 2020. The volcanic ash clouds seem to be few and far between in 2024 - and when I do encounter a specimen, it doesn't seem as bad. 

 

 

Yup. Seb explained how they improved how light passes through the clouds in MSFS 2024.  It makes the clouds in MSFS 2024 look better in certain situations with respect to the angle to the sun.

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

11 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

You need to explain what you mean by this as it is a term used for a multitude of graphical anomalies.

2024 graphics are superb, so yes, you are doing something wrong. Perhaps some screen shots so we can see the issue?

I’ll try to get a screen shot next time I’m in 2024. On my system, 9800x3d 4080 super and 64gb of ram, the terrain between Klax and klas looks almost like I’m flying over white sands. Extra bright, very little color variation. Reminds me of some of the mega scenery earth I used to have in fsx. Do not have the issue in 2020. 

52 minutes ago, SetSpeed said:

I’ll try to get a screen shot next time I’m in 2024. On my system, 9800x3d 4080 super and 64gb of ram, the terrain between Klax and klas looks almost like I’m flying over white sands. Extra bright, very little color variation. Reminds me of some of the mega scenery earth I used to have in fsx. Do not have the issue in 2020. 

I fly that route often. The scenery is spectacular, so something very wrong your end.

Do you use HDR?  If yes, have you run the Microsoft HDR calibration tool?

13 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Is it "heads and shoulders" better? I guess not - it's an evolution, not a revolution. 2020 looks awesome as well. 

Exactly. I object, your honor, to the idea that 2024 has made 2020 look like its 20 years old (someone typed that).

Now everyone back to flying.

10 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

¡Veo una gran mejora en los tipos de nubes, la representación de las nubes, la turbulencia, la temperatura del color y la iluminación en 2024!

I have come to the conclusion that you use a different version of 2024 than the rest of us. What improvements do you see in e.g. turbulence?

 

 I ask you because I was recently researching and asking around here on Avsim and other places and on the recommendation of an overwhelming majority I ended up buying realturb for a "decent" experience and am saving up to buy Active Sky.

The weather is practically unchanged from years ago, yes it has improved somewhat the rendering of some clouds and of course the lighting, but it is far from being the improvement they promised in 2021, and honestly the rendering of the weather before the SU5 downgrade was much better than it is now.

Weather along with physics and flight dynamics is the most important thing for an aviation simulator, but I guess it sells less than landing to photograph bears.

1 hour ago, Aglos77 said:

Weather along with physics and flight dynamics is the most important thing for an aviation simulator

Well...plenty of rw pilots in linked thread below. General opinion seems to be that indeed the flight dynamics are better? 

Do you have any real world training that can be translated into comparison to the sim-planes?

 

 

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by SAS443

3 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

Weather along with physics and flight dynamics is the most important thing for an aviation simulator

MSFS 2024 does well on all these things.  Pre SU5 the weather was indeed great, but it is not bad now in 2024.

4 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

The weather is practically unchanged from years ago, yes it has improved somewhat the rendering of some clouds and of course the lighting, but it is far from being the improvement they promised in 2021, and honestly the rendering of the weather before the SU5 downgrade was much better than it is now.

Weather along with physics and flight dynamics is the most important thing for an aviation simulator, but I guess it sells less than landing to photograph bears.

Oh please... nope, weather is not "practically unchanged". 2024 is closer (and at times far closer) to pre-SU5 MSFS live weather.

And yes, weather along with physics and flight dynamics are definitely important aspects for an aviation simulator, thanks for stating the obivous... and that's why I loved 2020 since I could have all that along with great world depiction visuals, and now even more so in 2024 in all those categories.

You see, a fight simulation platform can be good at *multiple* aspects including aspects you consider trivial... something you might not be used to or for whatever reasons be unwilling to accept, but such is the state of modern age of flight simming which MS/Asobo ushered us into from the stagnant days pre-2020. I get to enjoy great physics and flight dynamics, avionics, weather, etc while I fly about and then I can land to take that photograph of the bear 😀 That said, can you explain to us why MS/Asobo spent so much resources on things that apparently "sell less" like payware-level default avionics, default aircraft of unprecedented fidelity, improving flight dynamics and re-writing ground handling from 2020->2024, and bothering with adding computational fluid dynamics based capabilities to both flight dynamics and atmospheric airflow (starting with 2020 and further improving in 2024), complex flight planners (2024), etc? I mean, why bother with all this if only trivial things sell more, according to your brilliant logic?
 

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

weather is not "practically unchanged". 2024 is closer (and at times far closer) to pre-SU5 MSFS live weather.

Fully agree 2024 "weather" has changed hugely, some good, some worse IMO over current 2020 weather.  To me 2024 clouds per se look thinner, lower in voxel resolution and more flat-platelike based especially the so-called 'cirrus' clouds.  The large grid I teased out of it demonstrates the larger voxel grid at play over 2020s.  And if I were given the choice to go to pre-SU5 over current 2024 cloud rendering no question I would choose the former.  Oh I know most here seem to be largely enamored by 2024's cloud and lighting but I don't see it myself yet, but I'm still new in 2024 but have already seen and been in lots of cloudy weather in my 14 flights or so.

Edited February 22, 20251 yr by Noel

17 minutes ago, Noel said:

To me 2024 clouds per se look thinner, lower in voxel resolution and more flat-platelike based especially the so-called 'cirrus' clouds.

I don't see 'thinner' or more 'flat-platelike' in 2024.  Together with the new lighting, it is often spectacular.

 

 

5 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I don't see 'thinner' or more 'flat-platelike' in 2024.  Together with the new lighting, it is often spectacular.

 

 

These are the clouds that I get too. And these are the type of clouds that I see when other people live stream MSFS 2024.  And also there is the cirrus clouds in live weather now in MSFS 2024. And the volcanic ash type clouds have been radically reduced in MSFS 2024.

Overall, I find MSFS 2024 to have the best rendition of clouds for a flight sim. MSFS 2020 clouds were already the best for a flight sim, but they managed to improve on it further with MSFS 2024.