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Lossness Scaling 3.1 Beta

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Scaling is set to off. Ingame I use 4K, DLSS with DLAA, no Vsync, nVIDIA Reflex etc. Cant tell precisely, not sitting at my rig atm. It is just that the last time I used LS, I did NOT have this rubberbanding but the issue that after 5min latest, it locked itself up, either by blackscreen or simply stopped working. It was never a flawless experience, so I always hope that after an update, things resoleve. But no...

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

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    3.1 Beta @Tester AFG Introducing Adaptive Frame Generation (AFG) mode, which dynamically adjusts fractional multipliers to maintain a specified framerate, independent of the base game framer

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    I posted this in an XP topic where Lossless was discussed but AFG is amazing. Despite what I previously said about using AFG with a 60hz monitor, I have changed my mind.  With fps capped at 30 an

  • OK, this adaptive is like some sort of tribal magic LOL.  I have never had a smoother FS experience in my life.  Taxiing and climbout were like a whole new experience.   Need to play around but I

12 hours ago, AnkH said:

and front edge sync.

Disable this and go back to default (async I believe) and try. 

Will try, thanks

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

11 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Disable this and go back to default (async I believe) and try. 

My bad, it is on NVIDIA Reflex, should I try front edge sync then? Or async?

Edited by AnkH

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

My bad, it is on NVIDIA Reflex, should I try front edge sync then? Or async?

Sorry I meant in RTSS, frame capping mode, I believe it’s async, the first option in there right? (I’m not at pc at moment) 

Edited by Ianrivaldosmith

10 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Sorry I meant in RTSS, frame capping mode, I believe it’s async, the first option in there right? (I’m not at pc at moment) 

Yes, RTSS, frame capping mode: it was automatically set to "NVIDIA Reflex". Async is the first option, correct, will try this once. For classic FG and 141FPS limit however, "NVIDIA Reflex" gives clearly the best results, just not with LSFG.

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

On 3/12/2025 at 8:57 PM, psolk said:

Are you using Scaling in LS or set to off?

I completely missed that there was an 'off' option in there. I set it to off and boy the display improved! I also turned off HDR support & G-Sync support which reduced some graphical glitches.

I am using Rivertuner to lock FPS to 60 in 2024.  LS is set to Fixed at X2, which gives me 120fps in sim.  I stopped using AutoFPS a while back but tried it again in non expert mode with the 'AutoFPS' option turned on.  Incredibly, AutoFPS varies the TLOD, maxing out at 1250 when resources allow - even over Los Angeles its over 400!  OLOD also goes up to 350. Sharpening in 2024 is set at 100, DLSS/DLAA.

This combination gives an incredibly detailed, smooth and sharp display.  Never looked this good!

 

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11 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I completely missed that there was an 'off' option in there. I set it to off and boy the display improved! I also turned off HDR support & G-Sync support which reduced some graphical glitches.

I am using Rivertuner to lock FPS to 60 in 2024.  LS is set to Fixed at X2, which gives me 120fps in sim.  I stopped using AutoFPS a while back but tried it again in non expert mode with the 'AutoFPS' option turned on.  Incredibly, AutoFPS varies the TLOD, maxing out at 1250 when resources allow - even over Los Angeles its over 400!  OLOD also goes up to 350. Sharpening in 2024 is set at 100, DLSS/DLAA.

This combination gives an incredibly detailed, smooth and sharp display.  Never looked this good!

 

I think this is one of the biggest contributors to the blurring on the glass displays.  When I shut off scaling I finally had crystal clear glass displays with virtually no more ghosting at all.  At least not how I fly a 777 which does include 3000+ft/min climbs and descents.  

Try using the new Adaptive mode and set a buffer of 117 or 188 FPS as your target.  It's surreal how smooth it is with incredible IQ as well.  The guy who wrote this app is a genius lol.

Have a Wonderful Day

-Paul Solk

Boeing777_Banner_BetaTeam.jpg

4 hours ago, AnkH said:

Yes, RTSS, frame capping mode: it was automatically set to "NVIDIA Reflex". Async is the first option, correct, will try this once. For classic FG and 141FPS limit however, "NVIDIA Reflex" gives clearly the best results, just not with LSFG.

Yup with native framegen, but with LS I find reflex to cause issues. 

I tried it now with "async", it remains the same. Maybe rubberbanding is the wrong description, it might be that I simply do not get along with the input latency? Panning in the outside view is incredible smooth but in the VC, it is somehow strange. I move the mouse and with a very, very slight delay, the view starts moving and then tries to keep up, resulting in this strange "rubberbanding" effect, like mouseacceleration or something like this. Without LS, the moment I move the mouse, the view moves in the VC. Not as smooth of course, but at least instantly. 

Hard to describe, but panning around with the mouse in the VC simply does not feel right when using LS. Quiet a bummer, because the additional smoothness I would love to use. 

Greetings, Chris

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024

2 hours ago, psolk said:

Try using the new Adaptive mode and set a buffer of 117 or 188 FPS

I'll give it a go - why those number?  My monitor refresh rate is 240hz

CPU Ryzen 7800X 3D  RAM 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz GPU GEFORCE RTX 4090
Monitor AOC AGON AG352UCG UltraWide G-Sync @ 3440x1440
Internal Storage 1TB NVMe PCIe SSD 
External Storage Three 4Tb HDs

10 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I'll give it a go - why those number?  My monitor refresh rate is 240hz

Because I mistyped LOL!! 

I saw you were running at 60 with fixed at x2 so I thought you were on 120 hz and ideally you set it a couple of frames below refresh so 117 or 118 but for you I would set 120 as the target.  You have plenty of buffer! 

Have a Wonderful Day

-Paul Solk

Boeing777_Banner_BetaTeam.jpg

4 hours ago, psolk said:

I think this is one of the biggest contributors to the blurring on the glass displays.  When I shut off scaling I finally had crystal clear glass displays with virtually no more ghosting at all.  At least not how I fly a 777 which does include 3000+ft/min climbs and descents.  

Try using the new Adaptive mode and set a buffer of 117 or 188 FPS as your target.  It's surreal how smooth it is with incredible IQ as well.  The guy who wrote this app is a genius lol.

Are you capping your FPS? And are you using G-Sync?

Alvega

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17 minutes ago, Alvega said:

Are you capping your FPS? And are you using G-Sync?

I am not, any sort of frame cap seems to introduce micro-stutter on my machine and the LOD results with things unlocked at 385 are quite unbelievable.  Everything is in focus, no more popping objects it is phenomenal.  I posted some shots in the screenshot forum back a couple of weeks asking where my blurries had gone 😉 

Yes to GSync but my monitor is only compatible, not ultra and 48FPS is the adaptive sync limit but Lossless with adaptive auto adjusts the times I do drop below 48 anyway.

I know the preference is always to lock but this is just what works best for my system.  

Have a Wonderful Day

-Paul Solk

Boeing777_Banner_BetaTeam.jpg

Just now, psolk said:

I know the preference is always to lock but this is just what works best for my system.  

I do not lock, I think past 100 FPS it is better not to lock. 

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