Is there any where to go besides X plane.org to buy pay planes for X 11...?

Hello,

https://www.aerosoft.com/de/shop/flight/x-plane/x-plane-11/flugzeuge/

 

https://secure.simmarket.com/aircraft-(de_777)-page-1.chtml

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by odi11

X-aviation.com

x-plane.to but it's freeware only for now...

Edited March 24, 20251 yr by jcomm

JustFlight.com

checked em all...ridiculous prices...I want a Citation or TBM for 15$..a good one for X 11. If I can buy MS 24 with a bunch of planes why am I going to pay 40$

for 1 plane...

Default versus developers love?

 

10 hours ago, 4df5 said:

checked em all...ridiculous prices...I want a Citation or TBM for 15$..a good one for X 11. If I can buy MS 24 with a bunch of planes why am I going to pay 40$

for 1 plane...

For a TBM, stick to MSFS and the default.  

You won't get anything payware for anywhere near that price.  If the budget is limited, default is the only option.  

It all depends on what you expect / want from your addons...

If it's just for casual "flying", with no focus on accuracy of systems (well, the GNS, and pretty much everything avionics from the team Working Tittle who joined ASOBO is great in MSFS), performance, as close as possible to rw flight characteristics then you're perfectly good to go with MSFS default.

If you praise flight dynamics, accuracy in aircraft operations and planning of a flight knowing that your fuel consumption will accurately match the real thing, but above all the "feel of flight" then I am sorry but you'll have to pay, and preferably, pay for X-Plane addons of quality (there are cheap addons of mid/low quality for XP... like there are many for MSFS). 

You can also purchase quality addons for MSFS, but when it comes to "feel of flight" and flight dynamics accuracy, there's no other way to go than X-Plane IMO...

Example, a Mitsubishi MU-2J for MSFS like the "Famous Flyer 07" for around $15.00 vs the TOGA Simulations MU-2 Marquise v2 for $59.95... Same aircraft, cockpit can look similar in both versions, but the X-Plane TOGA version has variations of prop and avionics that aren't available in the MSFS version, and then, when it comes to the sophistication and quality in flight characteristics, as close as possible to the real thing, MSFS is a "toy" / "arcade" compared to the same aircraft when you "fly" it in X-Plane 12...

They're in two different leagues.

I use MSFS actually more than I use X-Plane 12, and I love it for what it has to offer in terms of scenery detail, and the quality ofd some of it's payware addons ( Fenix, PMDG and some INIBUILDS, the A2A Comanche...), but even those can't compare to similar offers for X-Plane 12 ...

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by jcomm

What this discussion will invariably gravitate to is the fact that MSFS add-ons are cheaper (even if normalized for "quality").

Market economy effects lead to this.

The first one is that the number of potential customers is bigger for MSFS. A larger user base will lead to more units sold and therefore (since the cost to make an aircraft is not dependent on the number of copies sold) the profit will be larger.

So why are devs offering their product cheaper on the MSFS platform? Would they not rather charge an as high-as-possible price?

Market forces come into play here, the prospect of larger profits will attract more third-party devs, this will create competition and bring prices down.

So - all things considered - add-ons are in general cheaper on the MSFS platform, I think this can not be debated and it is a boon for that platform.

Of course this does not say anything about the quality or fidelity of add-ons on either platform, and ultimately a user will have to decide which platform - with all benefits and downsides considered - suits him better.

I am actually an advocate of X-Plane developers charging whatever is fair for their work.

I prefer to have a selected universe of users, who take simming really seriously, and or give importance to details of implementation than casual users...

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by jcomm

8 hours ago, Litjan said:

So why are devs offering their product cheaper on the MSFS platform? Would they not rather charge an as high-as-possible price?

My guess is an oversaturated market, lower expectations by customers and toolchains allowing higher productivity (thus less work hours per project).

 

 

14 hours ago, GoranM said:

If the budget is limited, default is the only option.  

Or VSKYLABS.

On 3/25/2025 at 11:01 AM, 4df5 said:

checked em all...ridiculous prices...I want a Citation or TBM for 15$..a good one for X 11. If I can buy MS 24 with a bunch of planes why am I going to pay 40$

for 1 plane...

X-Plane v12 includes a good Citation X as a Default...?

IIRC, the Cirrus VisionJet is included in v11 and is definitely worth $15.

If you're looking for something as complicated as a Citation or TBM for v11, you're probably best served by the excellent freeware Zibo 737-800 - it is definitely payware grade, and if payware would probably be in the $70 range...? I haven't checked, but the v11 versions should still be available.

 

The very good X-Crafts E-Jets are now free for v11: https://www.xcrafts.com/free-ejets

Also by X-Crafts, this very nice biz jet is frequently on sale for $25: https://store.x-plane.org/Embraer-Legacy-650-by-X-Crafts_p_996.html

 

Anything by VSkyLabs, and many of them are on sale right now for less than $20: https://store.x-plane.org/VSKYLABS_c_303.html
(if you like complex aircraft, a "guilty" pleasure of mine is their F-19 addon. it has a bunch of systems and such, and is quite a nice ride 😉 ).

 

The Reality Expansion Packs are $20 ($15 on sale) and are excellent for raising fidelity, and two of them are available for the v11 Defaults (the Baron is excellent!): 

https://store.x-plane.org/Reality-Expansion-Pack-for-default-B58-Baron_p_790.html

 

Otherwise, you can check for v11 freeware GA here (some biz jets and such):

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/category/175-general-aviation/&sortby=file_downloads&sortdirection=desc

Airliners here:

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/category/178-airliners/&sortby=file_downloads&sortdirection=desc

 

 

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

8 hours ago, Litjan said:

What this discussion will invariably gravitate to is the fact that MSFS add-ons are cheaper (even if normalized for "quality").

 

No, I don't think so. The Tier 1 developers are charging either the same or very similar prices.

E.g., the A2A Sims Comanche is $50 and compares directly to AFL 172 NG for $50 or the SimCoders Marchetti at $45.

PMDG 777 vs Flight Factor 777 both are pretty much the same price, around $80.

Rotate MD-11 vs TFDi MD-11 are around $80 each.

Rotate MD-80 is significantly less expensive than the Leonardo MD-80 ($60 vs $90)

JustFlight is usually the exact same price across platforms (even with entirely different dev teams for XP vs MSFS)

BlackBird T-6A Texan II is the same price as AoA T-6A Texan II

AFAIK, only Fenix vs Toliss is there a truly significant price difference in a Tier I product (Fenix $65 for A320, Toliss $90)

p.s.: to add that X-Plane addons seem to go on sale more often at greater discounts, too.

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

No, I don't think so. The Tier 1 developers are charging either the same or very similar prices.

E.g., the A2A Sims Comanche is $50 and compares directly to AFL 172 NG for $50 or the SimCoders Marchetti at $45.

PMDG 777 vs Flight Factor 777 both are pretty much the same price, around $80.

Rotate MD-11 vs TFDi MD-11 are around $80 each.

Rotate MD-80 is significantly less expensive than the Leonardo MD-80 ($60 vs $90)

JustFlight is usually the exact same price across platforms (even with entirely different dev teams for XP vs MSFS)

BlackBird T-6A Texan II is the same price as AoA T-6A Texan II

AFAIK, only Fenix vs Toliss is there a truly significant price difference in a Tier I product (Fenix $65 for A320, Toliss $90)

p.s.: to add that X-Plane addons seem to go on sale more often at greater discounts, too.

@Litjanadding another example of the very recent announcement of a $120 737 Classic for MSFS(!)