I saw this the other day:

simMarket: NDB WORLD: WORLDS NDB'S MSFS24/20

...and I was wondering if any of you had this add-on, or know of this Canadian developer? 

As a practising IFR instructor I will be glad when the world is rid of NDB's 🤣

44 minutes ago, DavidP said:

As a practising IFR instructor I will be glad when the world is rid of NDB's 🤣

Got my PPL in 1978. I have never used an NDB in either real life or sim.

That's great to know fellas, but I was wondering if anyone had heard of this developer or maybe had this add-on?

On 6/19/2025 at 12:31 PM, Mace said:

I saw this the other day:

simMarket: NDB WORLD: WORLDS NDB'S MSFS24/20

...and I was wondering if any of you had this add-on, or know of this Canadian developer? 

I am a new Developer. Do you have questions about this project?

45 minutes ago, justme1003 said:

I am a new Developer. Do you have questions about this project?

I was wondering if there was a list or map of NDB's included, or if it's everything from say circa 1995.  Not a big deal if there isn't but I was just wondering since I learned to navigate before GPS and sometimes I miss retro navigation.

Thank you for responding to me here, that's great that a developer will do that.  I did respond to your PM with pretty much the same question.

On 6/19/2025 at 2:30 PM, DavidP said:

As a practising IFR instructor I will be glad when the world is rid of NDB's 🤣

Sorry to read here about your dislike of ndb and ndb approaches etc. I flew for a living for 40 years and ndb were the norm.
 

Gps in the 1970s was still referred to as NavStar and no one really believed that buck rogers stuff would ever materialize. It was then referred to as a wet dream. When I first flew with one even without a full constellation I thought I’d died and gone heaven. I’d been using Loran C just before that on the Cdn east coast.

Being able to do a ndb approach well separated the men from the boys and could well save your caboose. In Canada they are being removed which is imho a mistake but these days it’s about budgets. In the Arctic they were great with usually tremendous range and could be a life saver. I fully realize I’m speaking as an old guy here. Till I retired I usually carried WAC charts as the final back up in case everything crapped out. Again showing my age.

The current over reliance and utter faith in gps is beyond silly imho though that is the norm now. They can have a hole in the coverage especially in times of war* when the orbits can get changed though I acknowledge these days that is unlikely……unless they get taken out physically or are jammed.

*I encountered that a couple times during the second gulf war. My use at that time for gps was simply a to b and the approach a lot of times was ndb. 

Anyway, different generations of pilots have different viewpoints and experiences.

i will get this ndb add on.
 

 

2 hours ago, dbw1 said:

Sorry to read here about your dislike of ndb and ndb approaches etc. I flew for a living for 40 years and ndb were the norm.
 

Gps in the 1970s was still referred to as NavStar and no one really believed that buck rogers stuff would ever materialize. It was then referred to as a wet dream. When I first flew with one even without a full constellation I thought I’d died and gone heaven. I’d been using Loran C just before that on the Cdn east coast.

Being able to do a ndb approach well separated the men from the boys and could well save your caboose. In Canada they are being removed which is imho a mistake but these days it’s about budgets. In the Arctic they were great with usually tremendous range and could be a life saver. I fully realize I’m speaking as an old guy here. Till I retired I usually carried WAC charts as the final back up in case everything crapped out. Again showing my age.

The current over reliance and utter faith in gps is beyond silly imho though that is the norm now. They can have a hole in the coverage especially in times of war* when the orbits can get changed though I acknowledge these days that is unlikely……unless they get taken out physically or are jammed.

*I encountered that a couple times during the second gulf war. My use at that time for gps was simply a to b and the approach a lot of times was ndb. 

Anyway, different generations of pilots have different viewpoints and experiences.

i will get this ndb add on.
 

 

I'm a current ATR pilot in the Canadian arctic, and the only thing we use NDBs for is setting the compass to True North.  Other than that, it's all RNAVs, everywhere we go.  I've shot the NDB approach into Qikiqtarjuaq a couple times just for fun, but that's about it.  

I've never lost any GPS signal on an approach, but we do lose WAAS coverage up there reasonably often.  There just isn't enough satellite coverage all the time.  

My 787 doesn’t even have an NDB receiver, it’s a paid for option my company didn’t select in their wisdom. Meanwhile the fully integrated GPS keeps getting jammed and spoofed so we have to turn it off to avoid spurious terrain warnings at 40,000ft.

Thats progress I suppose.

7 hours ago, dbw1 said:

Being able to do a ndb approach well separated the men from the boys

Also, if you'd learnt to fly the NDB approach using an RBI (fixed compass rose, north at the top) and you then used an aircraft equipped with a RMI (a moving compass rose aligned to your heading), it was a doddle, easier than using an RBI, but if you'd learnt using RMI's then found yourself in an aircraft that only had an RBI, you could get yourself in a right muddle. I learnt using an RBI, but flew with pilots who learnt on the RMI, they really struggled in an RBI equipped aircraft.

I enjoy NDB approaches still, especially in simple aircraft equipped only with an RBI.

Disliking NDB is great when you have aircraft designed to use GPS systems.

However if you are one of those people who likes flying older aircraft built around radio navigation them a product like this (or a similar one that adds historic VOR and DME stations) is potentially really useful.

TL;DR; Just cos you don't want something doesn't mean other people wont.

9 hours ago, ATRguy said:

I'm a current ATR pilot in the Canadian arctic, and the only thing we use NDBs for is setting the compass to True North.  Other than that, it's all RNAVs, everywhere we go.  I've shot the NDB approach into Qikiqtarjuaq a couple times just for fun, but that's about it.  

I've never lost any GPS signal on an approach, but we do lose WAAS coverage up there reasonably often.  There just isn't enough satellite coverage all the time.  

I hear you. It's a different world now. My last series of arctic flying was the summer of 2011. Retired in 2016. The last time I was required to do an ndb approach on a check ride (ppc) was 2009. 

2 hours ago, dbw1 said:

I hear you. It's a different world now. My last series of arctic flying was the summer of 2011. Retired in 2016. The last time I was required to do an ndb approach on a check ride (ppc) was 2009. 

We don't even do visual circling in the sim anymore!  I have a feeling we work(worked) for the same company haha.

The most IFR-y stuff i ever did IRL was navigating from VOR to VOR, but I think that a point of flight simming is the "virtual museum" aspect. Sure the real world of 2025 uses GPS and RNAV and NDBs are a dying thing, but it's great to have the possibility, in our virtual skies, of flying the way real men intended "old school". The BSQ Starship with its Omega navigation implementation is such an example too. And it's great that it does.

Ofc the truly insane do celestial navigation 😅

26 minutes ago, iborg1979 said:

 flying the way real men intended 

👍👍👍

 

26 minutes ago, iborg1979 said:

"old school".

 

Yep, I'm old school. It's weird: I like the glass cockpit of the 777 however I don't like to see a GPS in a C172 because I don't like the mix of genre. I also confess that as I get older I'm more and more attracted by nice analog steam gauges! 😀