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Black Square Baron Professional - Ground Roll Speed

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The ground roll at idle throttle is very fast, requiring continuous braking to manage the speed. Is this realistic behavior for the Baron?

6 hours ago, Tierborn said:

The ground roll at idle throttle is very fast, requiring continuous braking to manage the speed. Is this realistic behavior for the Baron?

I second this question

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Sure, I noticed this also. I've also noticed, what to me, seems like an overly smooth rotate, (if this makes sense?) Most of the time it's hard to decipher when the gear has actually lifted from  the ground. Or am I being OCD on this?

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21 minutes ago, Rocky_53 said:

Sure, I noticed this also. I've also noticed, what to me, seems like an overly smooth rotate, (if this makes sense?) Most of the time it's hard to decipher when the gear has actually lifted from  the ground. Or am I being OCD on this?

I have also noticed this.

Bringing the propeller speed down seems to make taxi speed much better. Still not sure how the real thing behaves on the ground

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Acceleration is wild on takeoff, I know it is powerful in terms of thrust to weight but it seems almost like a turbine behaviour. On the other hand, BlackSquare does pay attention to these things. But I'm surprised at the taxi and takeoff in this regard. Never flown one in real life. Interesting to have blacksquare weigh in. Will monitor the justflight forum.

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33 minutes ago, Purr said:

Acceleration is wild on takeoff, I know it is powerful in terms of thrust to weight but it seems almost like a turbine behaviour. On the other hand, BlackSquare does pay attention to these things. But I'm surprised at the taxi and takeoff in this regard. Never flown one in real life. Interesting to have blacksquare weigh in. Will monitor the justflight forum.

I haven't flown B58, but logged hours in Seminole, Duches, and Travel Air. All twins I flew were noticeable superior in acceleration to any singles like Lance, Cirrus, Bonanza and etc Baron carries 310-320 hp per side - pretty sure you would feel it!

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Just flown the B58 (TC version) and taxiing was fine for me, with props full forward. It rolled nicely and would come to a stop when idling without brakes.

(MS2024)

Edited by MorrisMinor

On 11/2/2025 at 4:30 AM, Tierborn said:

The ground roll at idle throttle is very fast, requiring continuous braking to manage the speed. Is this realistic behavior for the Baron?

You sure your throttles are idle?  I have throttles that are older and the low end doesn't always give me idle thrust.

Also is this 2020 or 24?

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12 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

You sure your throttles are idle?  I have throttles that are older and the low end doesn't always give me idle thrust.

Also is this 2020 or 24?

I am sure I am in idle based on manifold pressure.   This is in MSFS2024.

8 minutes ago, Tierborn said:

I am sure I am in idle based on manifold pressure.   This is in MSFS2024.

What is your rpm showing?

For me, manifold pressure is on the bottom stop across a range of low rpm settings (also in 2024). At 1000 rpm, I see the Baron accelerating to something more brisk than taxi speed. 800 rpm seems to give a good stable taxi speed.

The Baron in general looks like it needs more work.  No visible feathering of the blades in the 2020 model, it sits too upright on the ground (the nose should pitch up more) which is off from the real world bird, and the obvious mention here.  The Bonanza by contrast got allot more right out the gate (although it could use the ground pitch adjustment as well but it's less noticeable, feathering implementation as well)..🤔

Edited by Dillon

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3 hours ago, Tierborn said:

I am sure I am in idle based on manifold pressure.   This is in MSFS2024.

I'm not seeing it in any of the 3 variants in 2024.  I just checked now.

Is there somehow another axis or button assigned to throttles conflicting?

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I just checked again, and at idle, prop at 800rpm, no ground roll. Steady roll begins at 900 rpm. 

Edited by MorrisMinor
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5 hours ago, MorrisMinor said:

I just checked again, and at idle, prop at 800rpm, no ground roll. Steady roll begins at 900 rpm.

Agreed.  900 RPM seems to be the sweet spot for a nice, controlled taxi.  As others have noted, at low power it's RPM you want to be looking at, not MP.

 

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