Agree with the pilots observations.  Nothing I can do about the poor simulation of ground friction and inertia issues in MSFS 2024.  I set rudder curve for every aircraft to be less responsive, helps a little.  I use a separate high tension flight stick as tiller and set steering axis to it.

32 minutes ago, Noel said:

But takes fine tuning

Noel, have messed around with these settings in the past, to no great effect. I'll have another play later this evening and see how that goes.

2 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

Noel, have messed around with these settings in the past, to no great effect. I'll have another play later this evening and see how that goes.

Maybe it's my trim wheel making the difference.  I do have it also controlling ground steering at the same time (!) as rudder control.  In any case, couldn't be better. Maybe it's inputs in your pedals are just huge/coarse compared to my thumbwheel on the trim wheel, and perhaps the range of hardware control isn't big enough to accommodate physical pedals if you're using those.

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When I first purchased the PMDG 737-600 for MSFS 2020 back in November 2023, the ground handling was absolutely atrocious (and borderline uncontrollable). Since the improvements were made to the physics model, the handling has been fine in the 737 and 777. For the record though, I still prefer the way that the 777 turned in P3Dv4. It felt like there was some resistance from that massive triple wheel undercarriage 

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3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I agree with him. I’ve logged nearly 4,000 hours in MSFS and I’m still impressed by how much it gets right, there’s a lot to appreciate. But I’ve also found that if MSFS is the only simulator someone’s flown, it’s easy to think that’s simply how things are supposed to feel.

I’ve spent quite a few hours in 2024 recently, flying the Blacksquare Bonanza and Baron. Both are an absolute joy, but whenever I return to XP12, I’m reminded just how much better the ground dynamics feel there. Ground friction, crosswind handling, rudder control, and even surface undulations come across as more natural and convincing in XP12.

That’s not to take anything away from what 2024 does so well, it’s a fantastic sim in many respects, but having experience in both really highlights how each one shines in different areas.

You know it's funny, your comment about XP12 just kinda made me curious, I too have spent more time in MSFS lately, but this made me go fire up XP12 and actually try a GA plane again, I chose the vFlyteAir Arrow III, and it was a revelation! I mean I still prefer MSFS24 graphics, I think they are more realistic, but almost everything else is better in XP12, I had forgotten, or maybe just had never had occasion to compare!

Going to spend more time in that sim for a while 🙂

 

5 hours ago, LRBS said:

This A320 driver highlights some weird statements, especially regarding the ILS. 

See this @killsapm8883 on YouTube.
While this MSFS2020/2024 has some undeniable shortcomings, he's not familiar with the SDK. Many of his valid complaints can be addressed if Microsoft/ASOBO would use a good programmer (FDE) with proper aviation knowledge. A good example that comes to mind is the Ifly738, SkySim, Leonard Maddog MD-80, Fenix, with a good FDE programmer who listens to real/qualified pilots, and their dynamics are quite plausible. Now, we have to understand that not even LEVEL D simulators are 100%. Unfortunately, ASOBO has a long way to go before it is desirable in this regard, and it will not hurt to listen to qualified, proficient pilots on certain equipment.

His comment about the ILS range was regarding once specific airport on an island. There are some airports where the ILS signal can be picked up from 100 NM out. His point is that the ILS signal in MSFS 2024 shows up later than expected.

1 hour ago, jfv said:

I mean I still prefer MSFS24 graphics

If you are using default XP12 graphics I will agree with you. Personally I use the Map Enhancement tool to stream the same Bing imagery as in MSFS.

Speaking of ILS's and islands, Korean 801 was a 747 that took on some pretty serious landscaping projects in the hills of Guam when they realized the glideslope was indeed out of service.

I was wondering though, if you're say 100 miles out at around 30,000' agl, does it matter so much whether it's an island, or perhaps the topography of said island? Would heading into fairly flat environs such as Minneapolis or Moscow be that much different? It's like you're driving home late at night trying to stay awake. You tune into your favorite rock station, and first all you get is static as you're still too far away, or you got huge mountains between you and the city. But gradually the signal gets stronger. It would seem a bit of an oddity even fiddling around with something like that when tuning in to a localizer, and I'm sure the behavior is at least a little bit flawed in MSFS. But to me that's one thing that doesn't seem to stand out. I don't think the other PC fligt sims are that much different in that respect.

Anyway, I liked the video, especially the look of that combat simulator. 

Anyone else also noticed the PAPI lights seem to be wrong for majority of airports?  In most cases if I stuck to the PAPI lights I would probably land half way down the runway.

7 hours ago, alanw2005 said:

Great to hear a real pilot's viewpoint on MSFS 2024. 

 

There’s plenty of friendly real pilots on avsim who share their viewpoint too let’s not forget.

It may not been in a video format or with the traditional YouTube introduction of “without further ado “ but it’s just as good.🙂

With regards to ground friction, yes I can see and agree with his comment , however I’m not sure that’s baked into the simulator. The just flight Hawk for example is an absolute joy to do touch and go circuits in as it tracks straight down the centreline on roll out, without this violent lurching.

So if just flight have found the way to do friction properly I hope others will follow.

We have airline pilots on this forum at all times who give very valuable feed back all the time.  

By the way, "I'm real blah blah blah" pilot sounds pretty ridiculous! What are there "unreal airbus pilots" as well? LOL Imagine someone goes to an airline interview and says "I'm real airbus pilot"! Wow ! No way! Amazing! LOL 

I saw that video yesterday and it looks like it's solely about 2020. There's more evidence of this in some of the comments. As we know, 2020 has some ground physics enhancements but 2024 has more. Just something to keep in mind.

8 hours ago, alanw2005 said:

His comment about the ILS range was regarding once specific airport on an island. There are some airports where the ILS signal can be picked up from 100 NM out. His point is that the ILS signal in MSFS 2024 shows up later than expected.

Very interesting. Over all these years of flying all around the world, I have never, ever picked up an ILS signal at 100 NM out, even in flat terrain. I don't understand where people are getting this information. When it comes to signals, a VOR can vary by as much as 130 NM, but the typical range for an ILS is 25-30 NM. However, I do agree with him that, based on what I've observed in MSFS2020/2024, the ILS signals are quite off, starting at about 14 NM. This is another area that needs improvement, which reinforces my point that they really need qualified pilot consultants.  

54 minutes ago, LRBS said:

 When it comes to signals, a VOR can vary by as much as 130 NM, but the typical range for an ILS is 25-30 NM. However, I do agree with him that, based on what I've observed in MSFS2020/2024, the ILS signals are quite off, starting at about 14 NM. This is another area that needs improvement, which reinforces my point that they really need qualified pilot consultants.  

Normal service localizer range is 18 nm anything beyond  could be false localizer or false glideslope signal. 

2 hours ago, LRBS said:

Very interesting. Over all these years of flying all around the world, I have never, ever picked up an ILS signal at 100 NM out, even in flat terrain. I don't understand where people are getting this information. When it comes to signals, a VOR can vary by as much as 130 NM, but the typical range for an ILS is 25-30 NM. However, I do agree with him that, based on what I've observed in MSFS2020/2024, the ILS signals are quite off, starting at about 14 NM. This is another area that needs improvement, which reinforces my point that they really need qualified pilot consultants.  

Are you not using Navigraph? They improved the localizer ranges a while ago and your numbers match theirs:

https://navigraph.com/blog/localizerranges