I’m a fan of King James English. The clearest uncorrupted form of English. “Seek ye Atlanta Center upon 124.5 and speak ye unto them whatsoever thou desirous and they will minister unto thee.

Edited December 10, 2025Dec 10 by Patco Lch

13 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Tut tut! 🤨 only internal flights I trust.

Oh no.  Everyone that speaks French to them, they speak it right back.  Air Canada, Air Inuit, Transat, Air Creebec, Nolinor, if you open a conversation in French they’ll fire it right back. 
 

Plus every weekend warrior is talking French on the radio too.  
 

I’m glad I’m bilingual, because we talk to them every day at work. 

3 minutes ago, ATRguy said:

Oh no.  Everyone that speaks French to them, they speak it right back.

I’m sure that breaks regulations. All comms especially on the ground should be in English to eliminate any possibility of misunderstandings.

2 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

Well then, he reached out and made contact, therefore all is well.

Thanks for reaching out to me on this pressing matter IanHarris. 😁

All is certainly not right, as you can't even be bothered to get my name right!

On 12/8/2025 at 9:44 PM, Matt Sdeel said:

Yup. Seems logical and reasonable. I agree.

Let's do the math.  Lockheed produces the F-35 fighter jet. One F-35 jet costs about $100 Million each.  Let's assume they make a $10 Million net from each plane.   

$10 Million divided by the $60 cost of each P3D is 166,666. This means they'll have to sell 166,666 copies of P3D v7 to equal the profit from one plane and provide support and bug fixes for V7 for the next couple of years. 

Lockheed Martin still has thousands of the F-35 planned for delivery. So why would they support over a 100,000 P3d v7 one-time purchased units when they can just support a handful of deep pocketed government customers for the same amount of profit and still charge huge maintenance fees and costly spare parts for the life of the aircraft for at least the next 10+ years?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Because they did before. Same financial situation was in play.

and it’s false equivalence to measure aircraft production profit to consumer simulation profit. 

And you seem to ignore the extremely profitable mil/gov/com training & simulation business they have. Of which P3D itself is undoubtedly just a minor part. 

The revenue they derive from flight simmers is almost literally pure profit. 

So, no, LM have abandoned us because WE abandoned THEM as soon as MSFS came along. 

2 hours ago, ATRguy said:

And then ATC in Quebec is mostly in French

I used to live in Dorval … it’s “Quebec” spoken not French. 

2 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

I’m a fan of King James English. The clearest uncorrupted form of English. “Seek ye Atlanta Center upon 124.5 and speak ye unto them whatsoever thou desirous and they will minister unto thee.

That made me laugh! 🤣🤣

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m sure that breaks regulations. All comms especially on the ground should be in English to eliminate any possibility of misunderstandings.

That’s the real world for you.

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Because they did before. Same financial situation was in play.

and it’s false equivalence to measure aircraft production profit to consumer simulation profit. 

And you seem to ignore the extremely profitable mil/gov/com training & simulation business they have. Of which P3D itself is undoubtedly just a minor part. 

The revenue they derive from flight simmers is almost literally pure profit. 

So, no, LM have abandoned us because WE abandoned THEM as soon as MSFS came along. 

Not sure I understand. Please clarify. Are you saying that 'profit' is not the bottom line?  Profit is profit. A dollar earned from aircraft production and a dollar earned from consumer simulation has the same value of exactly one dollar to the shareholder of LM at the end of the day imho. 

Also, who knws if there are 166,666+ student wannabe pilots who are dedicated enough to P3D solely when they can have MSFS or X-Plane also.  Additionally, a student wannabe pilot who upgrades to a new version of P3D after a year or so in an older version of P3D obviously hasn't learned his lessons. Is he or she a real student? 

9 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

There have been variations for decades. Sidewalk vs pavement, hood versus bonnet. That’s okay. But to change something so clear which Americans have used for decades just grates. I read it over here too in emails from British companies. Drives me mad.

Words that always makes me stop, hesitate and think when visiting the English: loo, 1st floor, football, chips, lift, lorry and flat.

12 minutes ago, Matt Sdeel said:

Not sure I understand. Please clarify. Are you saying that 'profit' is not the bottom line?  Profit is profit. A dollar earned from aircraft production and a dollar earned from consumer simulation has the same value of exactly one dollar to the shareholder of LM at the end of the day imho. 

Also, who knws if there are 166,666+ student wannabe pilots who are dedicated enough to P3D solely when they can have MSFS or X-Plane also.  Additionally, a student wannabe pilot who upgrades to a new version of P3D after a year or so in an older version of P3D obviously hasn't learned his lessons. Is he or she a real student? 

I did clarify - sorry you missed it.

A highly diversified company like LM has many different divisions, lines of business, and profit centers.

What you're missing then, is the idea of profit margin, as well as the strategic goals of the corp. P3D is a complement to LM's primary LoB's, not a competitor - which is what you seem to believe.

LM sells not just the airframe, but also all the ongoing support, maintenance, training, etc., etc.

Hopefully you can work through it from there...?

5 hours ago, Matt Sdeel said:

Words that always makes me stop, hesitate and think when visiting the English: loo, 1st floor, football, chips, lift, lorry and flat.

As I have to, when reading American written books. 2nd floor, in back of, back up. To name just a few. 

But we convert (translate) and carry on.

13 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m sure that breaks regulations. All comms especially on the ground should be in English to eliminate any possibility of misunderstandings.

I might be wrong but It seems to me that in France, most french pilots talk to the ATC in french language, even on international airports like CDG.

8 hours ago, Matt Sdeel said:

Words that always makes me stop, hesitate and think when visiting the English: loo, 1st floor, football, chips, lift, lorry and flat.

As long as you can work out their meaning you’ve succeeded. 😁

20 minutes ago, sdirand said:

I might be wrong but It seems to me that in France, most french pilots talk to the ATC in french language, even on international airports like CDG.

For Clearance that might be acceptable but not for Ground or Tower.