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PMDG 777 or Ini A340 or ...?

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Also people who want to fly current real world operations with their aircraft should think twice about the A340 family and especially the A340-600.

The 600 in particular is only operated  by Lufthansa at this point in time and will cease operations during this year. The 300 is operated by a few more airlines, but one can assume that they are also in their last years before being replaced by the A350 or 777.

 

4 Engined Aircraft have no future.

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I would be more interested in the A340-300 than the -600, although I do like my planes to be "study level", even if I only use a fraction of the features on offer. I just like to know that it is simulated really well. Am I right in thinking that the -300 is considered to be slightly underpowered?

Christopher Low

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1 hour ago, Farlis said:

The 300 is operated by a few more airlines,

300 is also in its final stretch of lifespan - with newer A350s replacing them. It won't be long before 300 becomes historical bird. Lufthansa intends to retire 300 next after 600 particularly when they start receiving A350-1000 and B777x. Aside from Lufthansa, Swiss and Edelweiss Air no other operator currently flies A340-300 except maybe private/military operators

Edited by CAP1234

24 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I would be more interested in the A340-300 than the -600, although I do like my planes to be "study level", even if I only use a fraction of the features on offer.

My best guess is since Toliss are involved in A340-600 for systems and avionics development, it is going be quite complex and immersive potentially even better then inibuilds one. Xplane version of A340 is very cool and immersive - hope they do same thing with this version. 

18 minutes ago, CAP1234 said:

My best guess is since Toliss are involved in A340-600 for systems and avionics development, it is going be quite complex and immersive potentially even better then inibuilds one. Xplane version of A340 is very cool and immersive - hope they do same thing with this version. 

 

35 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I would be more interested in the A340-300 than the -600, although I do like my planes to be "study level", even if I only use a fraction of the features on offer. I just like to know that it is simulated really well.

Agree. 
I just bought the Toliss A346 for XP (mainly because it was on sale for half off, and somewhat in prep for the pending version in MSFS). 

As an Airbus noob, I have very little experience with how these things work, but it’s a cool, and rare aircraft, and everyone knows 4 engines > 2 engines, so that’s enough for me to be happy with it  

So far it’s a good looking aircraft, and very well optimized. And exactly zero issues so far (to be expected with such a well regarded and mature product).
Also quite a few QoL features like periodic save and jump ahead to waypoint. Not sure if those last two will make it to MSFS, tho…?

The graphics are decent to my non-critical eye, and  this bird runs higher fps than every single other airliner in XP by a good margin.  

im not one to care in the least about real world routes or operators. I just don’t have the time for long haul sessions - if I want to visit someplace, I just originate there. 

that may change if this jump ahead thing works well, tho. 😉

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I would be more interested in the A340-300 than the -600, although I do like my planes to be "study level", even if I only use a fraction of the features on offer. I just like to know that it is simulated really well. Am I right in thinking that the -300 is considered to be slightly underpowered?

It is.  Makes for challenging departures from places like Bogota 

Forgive me for quoting a name from Satan's Bible, but I rather enjoyed flying the Captain Sim Boeing 707 in FSX. That always seemed to take off like it had lead weights strapped to the wings, but it actually felt pretty good.

Christopher Low

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2 hours ago, Farlis said:

Also people who want to fly current real world operations with their aircraft should think twice about the A340 family and especially the A340-600.

The 600 in particular is only operated  by Lufthansa at this point in time and will cease operations during this year. The 300 is operated by a few more airlines, but one can assume that they are also in their last years before being replaced by the A350 or 777.

 

4 Engined Aircraft have no future.

Hi Farlis:

Yes, that's correct.

BTW, something is going on with Lufthansa's current deployments of the A340s, at least on one of its densest (FRA<->ORD) routes. I've been monitoring it for my own replication flights. I used to see only the -300 (no -600) a short while ago, but today, I see both variants listed on FlightAware for this route.

Regarding, "4 Engined Aircraft have no future", you mean in the RW... Right ...🙂...? It's an altogether different matter in our hobby. Many aviation enthusiasts would like to see the 4-engined airplanes in the SIM, so, hopefully, they will also have a future in our virtual world.

If we fly only the Airliners with a future, we would be simply flying these (ultra-modern) twin-jet airplanes, along with their two humongous engines...🙂...

Well-developed versions of both twinjets and quadjets should have their due place in our hobby...especially in MSFS. Now, first up, where is that 744 that someone here has been clamoring forever...🙂..., the request that seems to have fallen on deaf ears so far...?

Cheers...!

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

Am I right in thinking that the -300 is considered to be slightly underpowered?

Chris:

The 4-engined A340-300s have the (legacy) CFM56 (-5C) powerplants, belonging to the same CFM56 series (-5B) engines on the (smaller) twinjet A320ceo. So, yes, the A340s are underpowered in general.

This below bit is courtesy of AI...🙂...

The Airbus A340-300 is well-known for its slow climb rate, often taking up to an hour to reach cruising altitude, primarily because its CFM56 engines were less powerful for its size and weight compared to modern twinjets...

I distinctly recall this slow climb from RW travels on the A343.

22 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Forgive me for quoting a name from Satan's Bible, but I rather enjoyed flying the Captain Sim Boeing 707 in FSX. That always seemed to take off like it had lead weights strapped to the wings, but it actually felt pretty good.

I know many here would like to not even mention that Developer's name here ...🙂...so, thanks for bringing it up. In the so-called glory days of that developer, the 707 was indeed a most enjoyable quadjet (it belonged to their Legendary Series, you might recall).

I cannot believe, once upon a time, I used to spend more time in the CS Forum, than what I spend here...🙂...

BTW, I also now own (and occasionally fly) the only 707 in MSFS (the infamous one from AH), just for the love of that airplane...but it's far from that (old) one from Captain Sim...

3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Am I right in thinking that the -300 is considered to be slightly underpowered?

“In the good old days “ where I worked there used to be much rivalry between the A340-300 and B747-400 fleets and their management  , with the A340-300’s power plants being referred to in a derogatory manner as hair dryers by the 747 fleet.

Later, when the  airline decided to purchase the A340-600 the Airbus fleet manager who was tired of the constant mockery of his aircraft proudly showed a picture of the new -600 with it’s much larger engines to the 747 fleet manager. Thinking it would finally put an end to mockery of his engines triumphantly declared “they’re big aren’t they”

The 747 fleet manager looked at the photo and replied “ very impressive…..are they dual voltage?”

That story was related to me by the 747 fleet manager himself , a lovely chap he was.

 

 

787 captain.  

Previously 24 years on 747-400.Technical advisor on PMDG 747 legacy versions QOTS 1 , FS9 and Aerowinx PS1. 

On 1/5/2026 at 3:17 PM, P_7878 said:

Hi Watsi:

Some more thoughts on the A343 vs. A346:

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Yeah, it might be part of a decision, if you really want to fly the 300 or the 600. My choice is kind of easy. The Aersosoft -600 also is (and I think even first) published for 2020. And second, I don't own the Inibuilds A340, but I heard and read some not so pleasant things about it. I own some previous Inibuilds planes, like the A300 and the A350. Both of them are no longer part of my hangar. Cause I was disappointed, system wise and with many other details (just my standard for a detailed airliner). I always had the impression these aircrafts missed the final 'round up'. Little bumps and bounces everywhere.
So I hope for Toliss. But still there's nothing proven yet. Let's stay with observable science 😄 and wait until the Aerosoft is published.


 

On 1/5/2026 at 6:41 AM, Watsi said:

If you get a A340, maybe you should wait for the Aerosoft 340-600. Because Toliss is doing the systems.  

or get both for even more route possibilities. 

Plus the ini A340 is getting a VIP variant on the 15th adding even more possibilities. 

I play on getting the -600, idk if it will be at launch (whenever that is) but eventually.

  

2 hours ago, Watsi said:

I don't own the Inibuilds A340, but I heard and read some not so pleasant things about it.

I have nothing but pleasant things to say about it. Flown it almost weekly since launch, it's a solid aircraft.

Edited by Tuskin38

10 hours ago, Watsi said:

Yeah, it might be part of a decision, if you really want to fly the 300 or the 600. My choice is kind of easy. The Aersosoft -600 also is (and I think even first) published for 2020. And second, I don't own the Inibuilds A340, but I heard and read some not so pleasant things about it. I own some previous Inibuilds planes, like the A300 and the A350. Both of them are no longer part of my hangar. Cause I was disappointed, system wise and with many other details (just my standard for a detailed airliner). I always had the impression these aircrafts missed the final 'round up'. Little bumps and bounces everywhere.
So I hope for Toliss. But still there's nothing proven yet. Let's stay with observable science 😄 and wait until the Aerosoft is published.

I am sorry you feel that way about the iniBuilds A340. Just as Tuskin, I’ve flown it extensively on both short-haul and long-haul routes, on the Xbox btw…🙂…, and it has stood up to the challenge flawlessly…every time…(as a reasonable SIM rendition of the real thing)…

Of course, I was a frequent flyer on Lufthansa’s A343s and A346s, over a couple of decades, so, I’m biased, and consider them both, dear and reliable friends of mine…🙂

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