Thanks all....

So, I wound up buying the FSS 727 Freighter and the Super 27 extension and BOY do I regret it.

Really not impressed.  It feels so unpolished.   My main complaint though is that FSS haven't bothered binding most of the AP modes in the model to the default AP assignments in MSFS.   (Eg. In the Super 27, pressing the key assignment for 'HDG mode' on the AP has no effect.  Many others don't work either).  This is a massive deal for me because I use hardware and even when I don't have hardware, I never use mouse clicks for any AP operation. It's my pet hate.   Things like rotating a heading bug in the VC with a mouse is pure suffering!  So I assign keys (like '[' and ']' for the heading bug).

Sound is excellent.  Texturing in the cockpit is quite poor and the modeling is odd - why is the yoke so far down low?  At first I thought it had been 'popped down' like you can do with PMDG, but no, that is it's normal position.

The 'complexity' that I enjoy isn't there, and the complexity with things like the procedures flow that is there, is stuff I'm not interested in.   Even with the 'automatic flight engineer' you have to trigger each phase in that rather naff looking mobile phone.   The GNS XLS is a pain too.   Not saying it's bugged, just unpleasant to use.

I'm not really saying it's a bad package, just that for me, it's the worst possible package.  The things I value aren't there, and the things I don't value (all the FE stuff) is there in abundance.   The mobile phone has panel state selections for 'On with GPU' and 'On with APU'.   Why is there no 'Ready for taxi' state?  Instead, before starting the engines, I have to sit and keep clicking each procedure flow in the darn mobile phone. And each one takes 5 minutes to complete!  This plane is an absolute no go, if you want realistic aircraft operation from Taxi to touchdown, but don't want to spend 20 mins setting the plane up, pre-taxi.  

As you may have detected... I hate it!

Will my good wife allow me to fix my mistake by buying the PMDG 777?  😄  It is undoubtedly the plane I should have bought here.

Edited December 27, 2025Dec 27 by JYW

20 minutes ago, JYW said:

Thanks all....

So, I wound up buying the FSS 727 Freighter and the Super 27 extension and BOY do I regret it.

Really not impressed.  It feels so unpolished.   My main complaint though is that FSS haven't bothered binding most of the AP modes in the model to the default AP assignments in MSFS.   (Eg. In the Super 27, pressing the key assignment for 'HDG mode' on the AP has no effect.  Many others don't work either).  This is a massive deal for me because I use hardware and even when I don't have hardware, I never use mouse clicks for any AP operation. It's my pet hate.   Things like rotating a heading bug in the VC with a mouse is pure suffering!  So I assign keys (like '[' and ']' for the heading bug).

Sound is excellent.  Texturing in the cockpit is quite poor and the modeling is odd - why is the yoke so far down low?  At first I thought it had been 'popped down' like you can do with PMDG, but no, that is it's normal position.

The 'complexity' that I enjoy isn't there, and the complexity with things like the procedures flow that is there, is stuff I'm not interested in.   Even with the 'automatic flight engineer' you have to trigger each phase in that rather naff looking mobile phone.   The GNS XLS is a pain too.   Not saying it's bugged, just unpleasant to use.

I'm not really saying it's a bad package, just that for me, it's the worst possible package.  The things I value aren't there, and the things I don't value (all the FE stuff) is there in abundance.   The mobile phone has panel state selections for 'On with GPU' and 'On with APU'.   Why is there no 'Ready for taxi' state?  Instead, before starting the engines, I have to sit and keep clicking each procedure flow in the darn mobile phone. And each one takes 5 minutes to complete!  This plane is an absolute no go, if you want realistic aircraft operation from Taxi to touchdown, but don't want to spend 20 mins setting the plane up, pre-taxi.  

As you may have detected... I hate it!

Will my good wife allow me to fix my mistake by buying the PMDG 777?  😄  It is undoubtedly the plane I should have bought here.

We told you so…🙂…just kidding…

Seriously, get the 777F if you can. That one is lower priced but quite good. I’ve flown it >10 times already.

BTW, I got the JF F28 today…yet to break the news in the home front…🙂…Oh well, it’s the holidays…

Cheers…!

I've resurrected this thread to say that (after the disappointment of the FSS 727), tonight I received authorisation from the bank of her who must be obeyed, to buy another airliner 😊

I decided to go for the PMDG 777 (which I should have gotten to begin with) but my word.... I'm not normally a procrastinator but ..... I narrowed it down to getting one of PMDG's two '777 cheapie options' - the 777-200LR or the 777F.    I sat looking at the screen for an hour before finally deciding on the 777F 😎   

My thinking was that I can do shorter, more flexible legs in the 'F', compared to the LR which is ultra longhaul.  My maximum sim flight time these days is 3 hours, but I prefer 1.5 to 2 hours.  I picked up the Boris sound pack from Orbx too, as instructed by some of you in the thread.

I absolutely love it!

There's a new plane novelty factor of course, but at this point I'm vastly more impressed with the PMDG 777 than with the 738 2024.    ....and those Boris sounds!

If the prices were similar, I would have been very tempted to get the Ini A340 (more of an Airbus appreciator) instead, but GBP prices on the Marketplace are high....  The PMDG 777F cost me £38 and the Ini A340 is £56 on the Marketplace 🤑   

Can anyone suggest any 777F cargo routes in Europe, that are around 1-3 hours? 

(preferably operated by Aerologic, DHL Air, Lufthansa Cargo, Maersk or TNT)
 

Edited January 3Jan 3 by JYW

39 minutes ago, JYW said:

I've resurrected this thread to say that (after the disappointment of the FSS 727), tonight I received authorisation from the bank of her who must be obeyed, to buy another airliner 😊

I decided to go for the PMDG 777 (which I should have gotten to begin with) but my word.... I'm not normally a procrastinator but ..... I narrowed it down to getting one of PMDG's two '777 cheapie options' - the 777-200LR or the 777F.    I sat looking at the screen for an hour before finally deciding on the 777F 😎   

My thinking was that I can do shorter, more flexible legs in the 'F', compared to the LR which is ultra longhaul.  My maximum sim flight time these days is 3 hours, but I prefer 1.5 to 2 hours.  I picked up the Boris sound pack from Orbx too, as instructed by some of you in the thread.

I absolutely love it!

There's a new plane novelty factor of course, but at this point I'm vastly more impressed with the PMDG 777 than with the 738 2024.    ....and those Boris sounds!

If the prices were similar, I would have been very tempted to get the Ini A340 (more of an Airbus appreciator) instead, but GBP prices on the Marketplace are high....  The PMDG 777F cost me £38 and the Ini A340 is £56 on the Marketplace 🤑   

Can anyone suggest any 777F cargo routes in Europe, that are around 1-3 hours? 

(preferably operated by Aerologic, DHL Air, Lufthansa Cargo, Maersk or TNT)
 

Get the Boris sound pack with the Triple 7 unless you meant you got it.

Edited January 3Jan 3 by carlanthony24

md-11

6 hours ago, JYW said:

I've resurrected this thread to say that (after the disappointment of the FSS 727), tonight I received authorisation from the bank of her who must be obeyed, to buy another airliner 😊

I decided to go for the PMDG 777 (which I should have gotten to begin with) but my word.... I'm not normally a procrastinator but ..... I narrowed it down to getting one of PMDG's two '777 cheapie options' - the 777-200LR or the 777F.    I sat looking at the screen for an hour before finally deciding on the 777F 😎   My thinking was that I can do shorter, more flexible legs in the 'F', compared to the LR which is ultra longhaul.  My maximum sim flight time these days is 3 hours, but I prefer 1.5 to 2 hours.  I picked up the Boris sound pack from Orbx too, as instructed by some of you in the thread.

I still think that a handful of cockpit sounds in the Boris Soundworks pack need to be tweaked. The three main light switches do not seem to have a satisfying "thunk" to them most of the time, and I can hardly hear the APU startup switch at all.

12 hours ago, JYW said:

Can anyone suggest any 777F cargo routes in Europe, that are around 1-3 hours? 

Just check available repaints, look at the registration and then type that into FlightRadar24. That will give you the routes the real aircraft flies.

14 hours ago, JYW said:

I've resurrected this thread to say that (after the disappointment of the FSS 727), tonight I received authorisation from the bank of her who must be obeyed, to buy another airliner 😊

I decided to go for the PMDG 777 (which I should have gotten to begin with) but my word.... I'm not normally a procrastinator but ..... I narrowed it down to getting one of PMDG's two '777 cheapie options' - the 777-200LR or the 777F.    I sat looking at the screen for an hour before finally deciding on the 777F 😎   

My thinking was that I can do shorter, more flexible legs in the 'F', compared to the LR which is ultra longhaul.  My maximum sim flight time these days is 3 hours, but I prefer 1.5 to 2 hours.  I picked up the Boris sound pack from Orbx too, as instructed by some of you in the thread.

I absolutely love it!

There's a new plane novelty factor of course, but at this point I'm vastly more impressed with the PMDG 777 than with the 738 2024.    ....and those Boris sounds!

If the prices were similar, I would have been very tempted to get the Ini A340 (more of an Airbus appreciator) instead, but GBP prices on the Marketplace are high....  The PMDG 777F cost me £38 and the Ini A340 is £56 on the Marketplace 🤑   

Can anyone suggest any 777F cargo routes in Europe, that are around 1-3 hours? 

(preferably operated by Aerologic, DHL Air, Lufthansa Cargo, Maersk or TNT)
 

Congratulations…!

I’m glad for your decision. At least, I think this non-RW pilot contributed a little to your commitment for the 777.

I did the same thing going for the 777F. There is one difference, however. I did not stare for an hour at the PMDG 777 sales page…🙂…, my decision was done in almost an instant…(probably partly influenced by the fact that Christopher owns the same variant…🙂…).

Seriously, something about the “big” freighters has always fascinated me. RW 777 is special to me, from a couple of decades of travel on it. The PMDG one is such a remarkable marathoner for us in the SIM.

Being a frequent flyer on LH, I always held a friendly grudge against LH for never flying me in a Pax 777 since they never actually operated 777 for Pax (they flew the 330/340/747 instead; so, I flew UA and AA). However, LH has been an active operator of the 777F. Check e.g., FlightAware, and you will find regular 777F services (for both DLH and its sister AeroLogic) from my hometown airport (KORD) to e.g., Frankfurt (EDDF).

I suggest using 2x sim rate, if acceptable to you, for cruise. I fly PMDG 777 at 4x for cruise phase, for long-haul (and ultra-haul) flights. There are also many (RW) short-haul routes for the 777 e.g., in Japan. There, the big airplanes are routinely flown short-haul.

Of course, you can fly any route, if you wish, in our virtual world.

Get ready to have many hours of fun on one of the best long-haul airliners, we have access to in MSFS. It’s a keeper. Also, hats are off to PMDG for making all their 777 variants available in the Marketplace (a lesson to others, really). The fluidity with which the 777F operates even in Xbox is nothing short of remarkable. I do not recall a single CTD.

Enjoy…!

Edited January 4Jan 4 by P_7878

14 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

Get the Boris sound pack with the Triple 7 unless you meant you got it.

Yeah, I said:-
 

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....and those Boris sounds!

😊👍

Edited January 4Jan 4 by JYW

I might look into becomming a freighter captain later this year so will be picking the 77F up for sure. Right now its 77W as it was a very nice free 2024 convert. It performs great in 2024. Also bought the Boris sound but forgot to activate it .Oh dear. My landing and taxi lights wasnt working this morning using FSiPanel . Not sure why. Anyone else seen this?

Michael Moe

19 hours ago, JYW said:

Can anyone suggest any 777F cargo routes in Europe, that are around 1-3 hours? 

(preferably operated by Aerologic, DHL Air, Lufthansa Cargo, Maersk or TNT

777F is good choice - Compared to 777-200LR, 777F has variety of short flights available. 

Some of the IRL routes comes to my mind are as follows:

EGNX - EBLG

EGNX - ELLX

EGNX - LFPG

EGNX - EDDK

EGNX - EDDP

EGPK - ELLX

EDDF - EGPK

EGSS - LFPG

The best place to find IRL routes is flightradar24 - go on the airline of your choice and select routes, you should be able to see recent IRL routes flown. 

You can also do some test flights in and out of KPAE if desired then take the 777 out on delivery flight to the home destination of that specific airline (I have done that few times - good fun)

 

Edited January 4Jan 4 by CAP1234

18 hours ago, JYW said:

Can anyone suggest any 777F cargo routes in Europe, that are around 1-3 hours? 

(preferably operated by Aerologic, DHL Air, Lufthansa Cargo, Maersk or TNT)

Check out the fsdispatch app for real flights.

https://www.flightsimdispatch.net/

The A340 is my favourite long-hauler in 2024.  
 

The EIS1 cockpits are super cozy at night with all the soft colours. 

On 1/4/2026 at 12:06 AM, JYW said:

I would have been very tempted to get the Ini A340

If you get a A340, maybe you should wait for the Aerosoft 340-600. Because Toliss is doing the systems.  

4 hours ago, Watsi said:

If you get a A340, maybe you should wait for the Aerosoft 340-600. Because Toliss is doing the systems.  

Hi Watsi:

Some more thoughts on the A343 vs. A346:

Yes, one could wait for the (hopefully) better-system-fidelity version of the A340-600 from ToLiss. However, the 343 and the 346 are quite distinctly different A340 airplane variants.

First of all, the A346 remains one of the longest (if not the longest) commercial jetliner of modern era. I clearly recall boarding the A346s of Lufthansa at Frankfurt (they would sometimes bus the pax to the airplane parked on the tarmac, away from the Jetway; I always preferred that mode of entry...🙂...). While climbing up the stairs to enter, the unusually long and thin fuselage, up close, would appear rather striking...hard to forget...

For curiosity, I'd recently made a simple schematic to show the relative lengths of today's 200+ ft airliners (see below image). One can see where the A346 is, on this chart. It is right next to the 777-9 that's yet to fly.

I'm no RW pilot, but I've heard that one needs to worry about tail strikes on the A340-600 because of its very long fuselage that makes it inherently more prone to them, especially during takeoffs. So, the flying experience in the SIM is also expected to be different between these two variants.

So, yes, if one is just looking for an A340, the ToLiss one will do. However, if one is an A340 enthusiast, then owning both variants is highly desirable. 

You from being Germany...🙂..., would know that Lufthansa (a diehard fan of these two variants) is now actively flying both A343 and A346 e.g., within just last 12 hours, in FlightAware, there are 7-8 departures and arrivals listed between (my hometown) Chicago and Frankfurt for these two variants, the same ones I used to travel on, decades ago. 

Our individual interests vary, so, one can get one or both as they prefer, but to me, as an A340 enthusiast, both variants are fascinating in their own unique ways (moreover, both are quad-jets...to boot, something we don't see much these days...especially around here...)

Cheers...!

 

Edited January 5Jan 5 by P_7878