7 hours ago, JYW said:

But I can't figure out if it's possible to import the Simbrief fuel and payload.   It seemed to pull my cost index and ZFW but it wasn't importing my fuel.   

The iFly will import route and winds data automatically from simbrief (with no SIDs or STARs, similar to other sim aircraft for reasons I've never understood), but it won't auto-import fuel or payload right now.  You've got to look at the flight generated in simbrief and then enter this data; there's a summary section near the top of the simbrief page after you generate a flight that contains pax, bags, fuel, average wind and temp deviation data.

There's a really significant update coming that seems to be getting close to beta that I believe will address this.  Or, well, I should say that I know they intend full auto simbrief integration eventually, but I'm not the guy who could promise it's coming with SP1.  If I had to guess though, it probably is... Seems the logical time to add it. 

8 hours ago, alanw2005 said:

I think the PMDG feels more like the real full motion, level D simulators in terms of weight. The iFly is a little more lighter and twitchier feeling

This comment surprises me; from my experience, the PMDG is definitely the less stable platform to hand fly.  You can have it trimmed up, look away for a few seconds, and be rolling off on a wing like it's a Pitts or something - airliners don't fly that way.  But, it's impossible to say any two simmers are experiencing the same flight model, there's so many variables in controls, settings, add-ons used etc.  All I can say is that with my controls (just a Thrustmaster Boeing yoke and throttles, with a slider on my warthog throttle for a tiller), the iFly has some feeling of not just an airliner, but actually a 73.  Everyone should definitely fly their preference when they find a setup that works for them though!  👍

3 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

the PMDG is definitely the less stable platform to hand fly.  You can have it trimmed up, look away for a few seconds, and be rolling off on a wing like it's a Pitts or something - airliners don't fly that way.  iFly has some feeling of not just an airliner, but actually a 73.  Everyone should definitely fly their preference when they find a setup that works for them though!  👍

 

I completely agree; in MSFS 2020/2024, the PMDG 737 probably has the poorest dynamics (FDE) of their aircraft, with the 777 coming next. This recent update makes it feel like a kite, whereas in P3D, they performed quite well. It's crucial for users to understand that ASOBO's flight dynamics still need substantial improvement. As you noted, there are many controls, and opinions differ on how to handle those sensitivities. Despite these issues, some developers have managed to overcome them and produce an airliner-like experience even on a PC. Even though many years have passed since I last flew the 737, the difference between the PMDG and iFly dynamics was immediately clear. Clearly, it’s possible to achieve good results when the right people and motivation are involved.

Absolutely love the ifly for all the reasons mentioned here.  My only two issue are the EFB - although once you get used to it, you can work with it x and time acceleration limited to 2x.

I understand the EFB overhaul is coming, I’m not sure about getting time acceleration up to 4x.

17 hours ago, Steve Dra said:

I enjoy flying her....very well put-together package.  Devs are great to work with and listen to feedback from rated pilots and other contributors to the project. @Jviation and I made numerous suggestions to enhance the textures which were considered and frequently incorporated.  His environment maps grace my paints in the livery manager (we collaborated on the project, and he graciously let me add his Ev maps that we're way better than mine to enhance my liveries.) 😊

 

Nice to hear from you Steve!

10 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Nice to hear from you Steve!

Thanks Ryan.  Real life gettin' in the way of simming....you know how that goes.  😉

23 hours ago, LRBS said:

 

I completely agree; in MSFS 2020/2024, the PMDG 737 probably has the poorest dynamics (FDE) of their aircraft, with the 777 coming next. This recent update makes it feel like a kite, whereas in P3D, they performed quite well. It's crucial for users to understand that ASOBO's flight dynamics still need substantial improvement. As you noted, there are many controls, and opinions differ on how to handle those sensitivities. Despite these issues, some developers have managed to overcome them and produce an airliner-like experience even on a PC. Even though many years have passed since I last flew the 737, the difference between the PMDG and iFly dynamics was immediately clear. Clearly, it’s possible to achieve good results when the right people and motivation are involved.

I found the PMDG 737-800 in MSFS 2020 a big improvement over default aircraft but it was definitely sketchy for flight handling.

On 2/6/2026 at 5:16 PM, JYW said:

Thanks for the views folks.

I love it.   Not just average it's good...  I really love it.

The engine sounds of the LEAPs are stunning.  I personally prefer the hand flying characteristics a little more than the PMDGs.  But that's splitting hairs.

There's only one thing I'm not sure of;  I've put my Simbrief details in and it's successfully importing my Simbrief flight plan route.   But I can't figure out if it's possible to import the Simbrief fuel and payload.   It seemed to pull my cost index and ZFW but it wasn't importing my fuel.   

One possible reason for that may have been that I was playing around with the manual fuel loading in the EFB, before importing from Simbrief..... so maybe I somehow 'locked' it to the manual fuel I had set.  I struggled a little with fuel in general with the iFly.   I was able to add fuel to the left and right fuel tanks but the plane loaded with more fuel in the centre tank than I wanted, and I could not find a way to remove fuel from that tank.   I kept setting 0 fuel in the centre tank but then when I was pressing 'Set' in the EFB, it wasn't removing the 6.2 tons of fuel that was in the centre tank.  The only way I could eventually remove that centre tank fuel, was in the stock MSFS 2024 EFB.   

This was all just on my first flight and I'm sure I'll find my way around with a bit more use.    

I don't know why I was so late to the party with this model (I didn't own it for MS2020 either).  It's a keeper and I'll enjoy alternating my 737 'shifts' between the iFly and the PMDG. 

All your EFB/Flight Planning/Simbrief questions are answered right here (will save you hours and frustration randomly pushing buttons):
 

 

Edited February 8Feb 8 by alanw2005

Did 2 recent flights in the iFly and after about an hour the sim froze in an exterior tail view looking forward. I assume this is an MSFS 2024 issue? But then again the iFly 737 is still a beta version. Will have to fly some other add ons.

Edited February 8Feb 8 by alanw2005

15 hours ago, alanw2005 said:

Did 2 recent flights in the iFly and after about an hour the sim froze in an exterior tail view looking forward. I assume this is an MSFS 2024 issue? But then again the iFly 737 is still a beta version. Will have to fly some other add ons.

Never had a hard freeze with it but I fly iFly 737 Max practically daily in 2024 and have had only a rare CTD with it, but with other planes as well.  Who knows what causes these when they happen but again it's rare enough to only be a minor issue.  I look forward to an updated EFB and I would love for them to do something PMDG did pre MSFS and that was to llet you input into the FMC using your keyboard directly.  They did not bring this pleasant feature into MSFS 2020 and I miss it.  FBW's 320neo allows one to do this and I think I read it's less possible to do if you are WASM dependent so maybe FBW isn't and PMDG is.

 

Yes, the recently reported freezes and the WASM (orange) screens (the latter introduced in SU4 as a diagnostic sign, as I understand) have now appeared in airliners (such as PMDG/iFly), that I personally thought were immune from it.

I am personally lucky, with only 2 crashes so far (in the iniBuilds 340; one blackout and one orange screen), not with any other a/c. I just put the A350 to an extremely rigorous test this past weekend, and we came out alive.

Still, I cannot help thinking that it has a bit more to do with MSFS2024 itself. I’m keeping my fingers crossed as I inch closer towards the PMDG 739 (on Xbox).

I think clarification of “Freeze” would be needed to start any sort of diagnostics and processing of results.

CTD and a Freeze are very different symptoms.  

A “Freeze” is when the PC completely unresponsive and requires a warm or cold reboot, this usually indicates a hardware issue or driver issue.

A CTD is where you are back in the desktop (only the app/game crashed) and able to continue using the computer, then it’s time to look at OS Event logs and/or any other logs (3rd party or MSFS).  I believe AVSIM has a sticky CTD diagnostics thread with things to try to resolve the issue.

I haven’t experienced a Freeze or CTD from MSFS 2024 in any aircraft and I push (really push) my graphics settings and my add-ons.  Before anyone says “good for you” … you’re missing the point … point is that stability is possible so there is likely “something” else specific to one’s hardware/software that is the source of instability.

5 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

I think clarification of “Freeze” would be needed to start any sort of diagnostics and processing of results.

CTD and a Freeze are very different symptoms.  

A “Freeze” is when the PC completely unresponsive and requires a warm or cold reboot, this usually indicates a hardware issue or driver issue.

A CTD is where you are back in the desktop (only the app/game crashed) and able to continue using the computer, then it’s time to look at OS Event logs and/or any other logs (3rd party or MSFS).  I believe AVSIM has a sticky CTD diagnostics thread with things to try to resolve the issue.

I haven’t experienced a Freeze or CTD from MSFS 2024 in any aircraft and I push (really push) my graphics settings and my add-ons.  Before anyone says “good for you” … you’re missing the point … point is that stability is possible so there is likely “something” else specific to one’s hardware/software that is the source of instability.

Twice while flying the iFly 737 Max 8 I had a complete screen lock up. It has not happened yet with other add-ons such as by Fenix and PMDG. Both times it switched out from the view I was in (i.e. cockpit view) and went to this external view:


 

Edited February 9Feb 9 by alanw2005

13 minutes ago, alanw2005 said:

Both times it switched out from the view I was in (i.e. cockpit view) and went to this external view:

I’d go with the GPU driver wipe process using DDU and manual download of nVidia drivers and remove ANY Overclock settings on CPU,RAM,GPU.

Use RTSS (or equivalent) to log CPU,RAM,GPU temps and loads and especially CPU voltages as the Intel 13 and 14 series were known to have issues with excessive voltage during low/idle activity (vMin Shift) which based on your screen shot looks like very low activity.

Edited February 9Feb 9 by SayAgain

5 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

I’d go with the GPU driver wipe process using DDU and manual download of nVidia drivers and remove ANY Overclock settings on CPU,RAM,GPU.

Use RTSS (or equivalent) to log CPU,RAM,GPU temps and loads and especially CPU voltages as the Intel 13 and 14 series were known to have issues with excessive voltage during low/idle activity (vMin Shift) which based on your screen shot looks like very low activity.

Thanks!! Much appreciated. Will investigate. Yes, this was a long flight at cruise altitude. My other flights with other add-ons were very short and very active.

I must have logged around 15 sectors since buying the iFly last Friday and it's been solid as a rock.

'Crashes' for me in MS2024 are exclusively of the screen freeze type.  I've never had an actual CTD.   And I've only had two freezes, both in the Ini A340.   If I stick to a flight time of <2.5 hrs and use the EIS2 models, I can reliably avoid WASM freezes in the Ini A340 now. I've flown around 10 sectors in it in the last week - all freeze free!  Which is good because it's my absolute favourite aircraft of the moment!

PMDG (737 & 777), Ifly, Fenix, TFDi, I've never had a WASM freeze. 

Edited February 9Feb 9 by JYW