Got the 777-300ER. I was undecided between this one and the -200LR (which I flew a lot in FSX and P3D), but the number of liveries in the .to made my choice (over a thousand vs. less than 100). I had already the -200ER. Unlike the older versions, I couldn't find an easy way to transfer the -200LR liveries to the -200ER or viceversa.

Since I had already all the pax 737s in P3D and 2020 and the -800 in 2024, I knew I didn't want to spend a dime in another couple of cups of coffee 737 unless I couldn't resist. I'm not yet at this point 😂

42 minutes ago, LRBS said:

I didn’t want to point out the obvious deficiencies of the PMDG 737 and 777 during this sale, especially with the products being offered at 29% off the regular price. However, I think it is fair to discuss what customers are actually buying.

I also want to acknowledge that ASOBO/MSFS plays a significant role in making aircraft development extremely difficult. The simulator platform has its own limitations and changes, and developers sometimes have to work around problems that are outside their direct control. Some developers manage to overcome certain issues, while others struggle with them. That is understandable.

What is much harder to understand, however, is when known, reproducible problems are reported repeatedly by customers and real-world pilots, discussed extensively on the developer's own forum, and remain unresolved for years.

Bugs are part of software development. Unfixed bugs that are known, documented, reproducible, and repeatedly reported are a different matter.

PMDG 737 / 777 — LNAV and Flight Director

One of the most noticeable examples is LNAV behavior.

• The Flight Director can momentarily command the wrong direction—left or right—immediately before initiating an LNAV turn.

• LNAV can exhibit oversteering, excessive bank, overshooting of the magenta path, followed by corrections and repeated oscillation.

• There have been numerous reports since the transition to MSFS describing the FD briefly moving in the opposite direction before correcting itself and commanding the actual turn.

• Similar behavior has been reported during RNP/RF procedures, where the aircraft can briefly bank toward the opposite side before establishing the correct turn.

This is not simply a question of whether someone "likes" the way PMDG flies. The issue is that this behavior has been repeatedly reported, including by people with real-world Boeing experience, and has been discussed on the PMDG forums.

As of August 10, 2026, I have not seen convincing evidence that this specific behavior has been conclusively eliminated.

PMDG has also acknowledged in the past that its magenta-line and Flight Director architecture required substantial work, and there has been discussion of a completely new magenta-line/FD module for PMDG products because the existing system needed a major rewrite.

That makes the continued presence of these behaviors even more disappointing.

Other long-standing 737 / 777 concerns

There are also numerous other areas that have generated repeated customer and pilot reports over the years:

• Flight-model and handling characteristics that do not always reproduce the expected Boeing behavior.

• Pitch and trim behavior around rotation and during the initial climb.

• Roll response and the way bank corrections are generated.

• Yaw oscillation and Dutch-roll tendencies.

• Engine-out handling.

• Crosswind behavior.

• Autopilot bank corrections that can sometimes become unnecessarily frequent or abrupt.

• VNAV transition behavior in certain situations.

• FMC waypoint and route-editing behavior.

• OFFSET entry behavior.

• VNAV constraint calculations in particular circumstances.

• Electrical and other system behaviors that can produce unexpected results.

• Ground handling, particularly nosewheel/tiller response.

• Directional behavior on the ground in strong crosswinds.

• Differences between the expected Boeing tiller/ground-steering response and what the simulator actually produces.

And the list is not limited to the 737.

The 777 has its own collection of flight-model, systems, navigation, VNAV, autopilot, and ground-handling concerns, some of which have also been discussed repeatedly by customers and real-world pilots.

The point is not that PMDG software should be perfect

Nobody reasonably expects complex aircraft software to be bug-free.

The issue is how long known problems remain unresolved and how they are prioritized.

A customer can accept a bug when a developer says:

It becomes much harder to accept when the same problem is reported over and over again for years, receives extensive discussion from experienced users and pilots, and still remains part of the product.

At that point, it is reasonable for customers to question priorities.

PMDG has produced some extremely sophisticated aircraft, and there is no question that developing these products for MSFS is technically difficult. I respect the amount of work involved.

But complexity should not become an excuse for leaving documented deficiencies indefinitely unresolved.

For me, the fundamental principle is simple:

Bugs are acceptable during development.
Known bugs are acceptable temporarily.
Long-standing, reproducible bugs that are repeatedly reported and never conclusively fixed are not something customers should be expected to consider "normal."

So, IMHO, when evaluating the PMDG 737 and 777 during a sale, the discount does more than simply lower the price.

It also makes the purchase more representative of what the products actually deliver today—including their long-standing unresolved issues.

And that is why, personally, I believe the discounted price is much closer to the price these products should command in their current state.

This is not intended as an attack on PMDG or its developers. It is simply a customer's perspective: if a product is sold as a high-fidelity simulation, customers have every right to expect the important, documented problems to be treated with the same seriousness as the features used to sell the product.

You made this point in many other PMDG discussions threads. We all know your agenda to bash PMDG to get minor bugs fixed. Do you have to highjack this thread about PMDG discounts its planes?

I could not resist the 200LR at $35 🙃

4 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I could not resist the 200LR at $35 🙃

How was Scotland ?I flew over yesterday and it looked cloudy

25 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

You made this point in many other PMDG discussions threads. We all know your agenda to bash PMDG to get minor bugs fixed. Do you have to highjack this thread about PMDG discounts its planes?

Again, you seem determined to turn a discussion about documented software issues into something personal.

Pointing out known bugs is not “bashing PMDG,” nor is it an “agenda.” These are issues that have been reported by multiple users on the PMDG forums, and in some cases have even been acknowledged by PMDG themselves. Disagreeing with you about the seriousness of those issues does not make the issues disappear.

You accuse me of “hijacking” a thread about the PMDG sale, yet the title is “PMDG sale on right now.” My comment was directly relevant to the sale: I said that, in my opinion, a 29% discount makes the purchase more acceptable given the known and currently unresolved bugs. That is a perfectly legitimate opinion for someone considering whether the discounted price represents good value.

What I find particularly concerning is that you repeatedly characterize legitimate criticism as “bashing,” accuse me of having an “agenda,” and now suggest that I am somehow hijacking discussions simply because I bring up issues you apparently don't want discussed.

You are certainly entitled to disagree with my assessment of PMDG. What you are not entitled to do is turn disagreement into personal accusations.

If you believe that something I have stated about a particular PMDG bug is factually incorrect, then identify it and explain why. I'm perfectly willing to discuss the technical issue.

But repeatedly attacking the person instead of addressing the documented problems adds nothing to the discussion.

Criticizing software is not hatred. Reporting bugs is not bashing. And disagreeing with you is not an agenda.

Let's keep the discussion about the aircraft and the software, rather than making it personal.

I had some money available so I got the 777F, 777-300ER and the 737-900.

I figured might as well buy more now and save instead of waiting for a whole year for their next sale. Or worse getting the inch to fly one of those three months from now and paying full price.

56 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

You made this point in many other PMDG discussions threads. We all know your agenda to bash PMDG to get minor bugs fixed. Do you have to highjack this thread about PMDG discounts its planes?

Wouldn't call them minor bugs.

25 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Again, you seem determined to turn a discussion about documented software issues into something personal.

Pointing out known bugs is not “bashing PMDG,” nor is it an “agenda.” These are issues that have been reported by multiple users on the PMDG forums, and in some cases have even been acknowledged by PMDG themselves. Disagreeing with you about the seriousness of those issues does not make the issues disappear.

You accuse me of “hijacking” a thread about the PMDG sale, yet the title is “PMDG sale on right now.” My comment was directly relevant to the sale: I said that, in my opinion, a 29% discount makes the purchase more acceptable given the known and currently unresolved bugs. That is a perfectly legitimate opinion for someone considering whether the discounted price represents good value.

What I find particularly concerning is that you repeatedly characterize legitimate criticism as “bashing,” accuse me of having an “agenda,” and now suggest that I am somehow hijacking discussions simply because I bring up issues you apparently don't want discussed.

You are certainly entitled to disagree with my assessment of PMDG. What you are not entitled to do is turn disagreement into personal accusations.

If you believe that something I have stated about a particular PMDG bug is factually incorrect, then identify it and explain why. I'm perfectly willing to discuss the technical issue.

But repeatedly attacking the person instead of addressing the documented problems adds nothing to the discussion.

Criticizing software is not hatred. Reporting bugs is not bashing. And disagreeing with you is not an agenda.

Let's keep the discussion about the aircraft and the software, rather than making it personal.

You refuse to do that. This discussion was about pricing and the different models and options of the 777. If you want to discuss bugs, start your own bug discussing thread and discuss. You find a way to inject your unhappiness and bug report on every PMDG topic started, that's an agenda.

5 hours ago, Paul K said:

I eventually settled for the 300ER, and had a quick look round it last night. Gorgeous! I now have the DC-6, the 737-700 and this 777-300ER. People can say what they like about PMDG, but they produce a damned fine aeroplane.

Yeah, man! 🤜🤛

Nobody’s perfect, and if they didn’t do a good job they wouldn’t be doing as well as they have.

29 years in business means they’re doing way more right than wrong 👍

36 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

You refuse to do that. This discussion was about pricing and the different models and options of the 777. If you want to discuss bugs, start your own bug discussing thread and discuss. You find a way to inject your unhappiness and bug report on every PMDG topic started, that's an agenda.

You continue to attribute an “agenda” to me that simply does not exist. I have already explained, quite clearly, that my comments were directly related to the products being discussed in this sale — including both the 777 and 737 — and that I consider the 29% discount to be a fair price precisely in light of the remaining issues and limitations.

That is a legitimate opinion about the value of the products being offered. It is not “hijacking” the thread, nor is it an attempt to turn every PMDG discussion into a bug report.

I have been very consistent about this. I have acknowledged PMDG’s strengths, I have acknowledged the difficulties developers face with MSFS and Asobo, and I have also pointed out long-standing issues when they are relevant to the discussion. Disagreeing with my assessment does not give you a basis to assign motives to me or repeatedly claim that I have some hidden agenda.

If you believe my comments are wrong, then please address what I actually wrote rather than repeatedly speculating about my intentions. That would make this a discussion rather than a series of personal accusations.

I have no problem with people enjoying PMDG products or considering this sale a great deal. You are perfectly entitled to that opinion. I am equally entitled to evaluate these products based on my own experience and to mention the remaining issues when discussing their value.

And, unfortunately, these issues are not something I have simply invented or brought up out of nowhere. The very same points I have mentioned have been discussed and reported by users on PMDG’s own forums. Anyone who takes the time to look can see that for themselves. Disagreeing with those reports does not make them disappear, nor does repeatedly accusing me of having an “agenda” change the facts.

So, rather than continuing to make this personal, perhaps we can simply agree to disagree on the value of the products and leave it at that.

Good luck with this, and I genuinely hope you have a better day.

Edited Monday at 04:37 PM2 days by LRBS

1 hour ago, jon b said:

How was Scotland ?I flew over yesterday and it looked cloudy

The weather was reasonable over the ten days. However, I visited the dentist to have two fillings done the day before I travelled to Aberdeen. Unfortunately, a piece of the same tooth broke whilst having dinner the following night! I ended up having to get yet another filling at a local dentist in Scotland (and I am grateful to them for swiftly dealing with the issue), but it cost me another £260!!

Edited Monday at 05:13 PM2 days by Christopher Low

Tempted by the 777F but I'm going to admit that having had to pay for the 777 in FSX and again in P3D and the 737-800 in those as well as for bothe MSFS 2020 and and expensive cup of coffee for the MSFS 2024 version has left a sour taste. Products are undoubtedly excellent my hangar is missing a wide body / long hauler. Only have time for a best 2 or 3 flights a week in the evenings so doing 4+ hour flights regularly isn't going to be feasible.

3 minutes ago, shadow_boxer said:

Tempted by the 777F but I'm going to admit that having had to pay for the 777 in FSX and again in P3D and the 737-800 in those as well as for bothe MSFS 2020 and and expensive cup of coffee for the MSFS 2024 version has left a sour taste. Products are undoubtedly excellent my hangar is missing a wide body / long hauler. Only have time for a best 2 or 3 flights a week in the evenings so doing 4+ hour flights regularly isn't going to be feasible.

The 777F is truly a great and remarkable aircraft. At the discounted price, it's almost a steal and you will not be disappointed. I just completed a 3-hour flight in the 77F across South America. And it flew and handled like a charm. give it a try for the price offered.

22 minutes ago, shadow_boxer said:

Tempted by the 777F but I'm going to admit that having had to pay for the 777 in FSX and again in P3D and the 737-800 in those as well as for bothe MSFS 2020 and and expensive cup of coffee for the MSFS 2024 version has left a sour taste. Products are undoubtedly excellent my hangar is missing a wide body / long hauler. Only have time for a best 2 or 3 flights a week in the evenings so doing 4+ hour flights regularly isn't going to be feasible.

Well, let’s flip that around for a sec:

The 738 and 737 BBJ’s can fly just over 6,000nm. But nobody says we have sit there for 13 hours, right…? 😁🤙

There are Plenty of short haul 77F routes to be found:

UPS regularly flies Hawai’i inter-island flights with their 747s and 777’s. Wheels up to touch down is as short as 20 mins, maxing out to an hour or so.

DHL runs several very short 77F hops in the EU.

Good bets are any popular destinations that are islands.

Taiwan to Manila is about 1.5 hours

JAL runs short haul pax 777 domestically, and 767’s for freight. Easy enough to substitute a 777 in there😉

And in reality, a freighter or pax can be chartered to fly between ANY two points, so all you really need is a roughly 9,000 foot departure runway and a 6,000 foot destination. Almost any major intl airport is going to suffice. 😎

ETA: here’s examples of the shortest haul 777 pax flights #1 being just 54 miles!!!

IMHO, since 77F’s tend to run shorter routes at higher weights than the pax, these are legit flights for the 77F! 🤙

https://simpleflying.com/worlds-shortest-boeing-777-flights-october/

Edited Monday at 09:46 PM2 days by UrgentSiesta

12 hours ago, LRBS said:

Let's keep the discussion about the aircraft and the software, rather than making it personal.

but why keep posting the same thing in every pmdg thread that comes up , by now every one knows your stance on pmdg