Sorry guys at PMDG but I HAVE TO INSIST!! Now that the J41 is out, and having flown it for quite some time, I can tell you it is the best FS aircraft I've had so far :( . EVERYTHING in it is just perfect. Well... everything except I the lack of raindrops on the wingshield ( I know, it

I thought this effect was taken out of FSX by microsoft... but I guess someone found a way to program it back in. I really loved it for FS9. Was so disappointed when it wasn't in FSX by default.

IIRC it actually is in the CS 757 for FSX.... Meaning it is possible, my guess is that CS found a hack to get them back in or that they made a shader effect for it.

Although Raindrops are nice and "Pretty", I would rather see PMDG spend the time putting the features that they promised would be in the J41 than spend the time adding stuff that was never on the original product feature list. Some examples of these missing features are, "An all-new failure-control module" and systems modeling equivelant of a "Study Sim".JB

The failure thing was something RSR mentioned at the start of the project and then just failed to mention had been cut later on - it's not happening. And when the heck did we ever say this was a study sim? It was said from the very beginning that it was NOT a study sim ala the MD-11 and thus that's why the price was $45 instead of $80 or 90.

The failure thing was something RSR mentioned at the start of the project and then just failed to mention had been cut later on - it's not happening. And when the heck did we ever say this was a study sim? It was said from the very beginning that it was NOT a study sim ala the MD-11 and thus that's why the price was $45 instead of $80 or 90.

Here... This is when you guys mentioned it would be a study sim....I will point the stuff out in boldface.This was the product description of what to expect...And then Ryan, if you really want me too. I can also point you to the 5 or 6 posts I made where I asked the point blank question, "Hows the Failure Generator doing for the J41?" I asked this same question in so many words many times after Roberts Mention of the failure generator. I even asked the question after you guys posted the official product page and got no answer. I also asked the same question the day you guys started the thread telling us that the plane was gonna be released that day... I still got no answer. And don't tell me you guys didn't see the post. Or lemme say, 5 or 6 posts. You guys blatently ignorred the question because (and I'm guessing here) you were afraid that if you mentioned pre-release that there was no Failure Generator, that it might cost you all a few sales...Please have a look below and see what the hell I have been talking about since you guys released the J41.........................................................................................................................................................Captains-As promised a bit earlier today with our "Sneak Peek" (you didn't tell anyone, did you?) we also want to give you a bit of information on what we anticipate this product looking like when it rolls out to you (hopefully) next month!The PMDG BAe JetStream 4100 is a highly detailed, feature-rich study simulation of this modern commuter turboprop. From the early planning stages, our intent with this product has been to add a complex turboprop simulation to our growing stable of airliners, while using the development process to design, test and implement new technologies that can then be transferred to our larger airliner products. (more on those in a moment...)(Oh boy- does that sound like Corporate-Speak?)As you can see from images posted in the "Sneak Preview" thread, we've raised the bar on detail in the Virtual Cockpit rather dramatically. We've done this using a few design techniques that have helped us to create an visual environment that exceeds anything we've done yet.Given the size of this airplane relative to our widebody airliners, we've been able to dial up the visual detail on the external model, using nearly 1800 photographs taken by the development team as a guide to accuracy, detail and finish.Systems: Obviously, we have a treasure trove of resources related to this aircraft. We have also received some wonderful help from various corners of the J41 community, and this has helped us to prepare the highly detailed simulation of the systems on the airplane. Hydraulic, pneumatic, pressurization, electrical, ice and rain protection, fire protection, etc. All are modeled in fantastic detail, including even the nuances of the airplane.The J41 uses second generation glass displays, and these are modeled precisely in the simulation. Fit, form and operation matches the Operating Manual.We have chosen to model this airplane based on the 4101 model airplanes operated by my line, so we've included the TCAS v7, but it operates in TA mode, just like the real one... No fancy RA mode here, so be prepared to have a few moments of stark terror searching the sky for intruders that only the computers can see. :( The autopilot / flight director operation is realistic, which will give you a bit more work to do if (like me) you've become spoiled by the wonders of LNAV/VNAV. This autopilot will give you full LNAV capability in conjunction with the GNS/XLS flight management system, but you are going to learn some new techniques to plan and manage your vertical profile! We've added visual ice accumulation on areas of the airplane that would normally be expected to collect ice in such conditions. We've also given you the ice-detection system that will remind you when it is time to begin paying attention to your airplane.Speaking of paying attention: The Red and Yellow attention getters (read: Warning and caution system) operates realistically, along with the annunciators, caption panel and aural warnings.We've recorded a vast range of sounds from the actual airplane, which will add dramatically to the immersion of the simulation!Oh- and since you only get to see those attention getters and hear the warnings when things break- we are hard at work on an all-new failure-control module that will reflect some of the changes that you guys have been asking for over the past few years. There is some question in my mind as to whether this module will be ready for release-time, but we'll keep you posted. If it doesn't make the release- it will come to you in an update for certain. (We hate not delivering a finished product...so we'll see how it plays out...)Some of the new items we've brought into our development process for the first time:- Accurate model of the geared, garrett turboprop power plant. These engines are managed VERY differently than the free-turbine engines most of you are used to. We'll have some classes here after release so we can keep you from burning up your new engines on the first flight.- All analogue gauges in the airplane are modeled in 3D. If it has a needle and moves, it's done in 3D. This of course results in super-smooth animation.- We are introducing something we call the "Ramp Manager." This applet can be brought up from within the simulation and will allow you to arrange for parking codes, chocks, baggage carts, the airplane's overnight parking kit, Ground Power, etc. - The load manager will allow you to set your passenger, cargo and fuel loads as on other PMDG products- but now you'll see passengers in their appropriate seats within the cabin.- We've included a number of "Easter Eggs" that we'll just leave you to find. Some will amuse you, and some will surprise you with the innovation and realism that they add!Some things we've cut out:- We drastically cut back on the size of the manual for this airplane. We shed 1300 pages from the MD-11 manual- so you'll only get 500-or-so pages with this one. :( We are currently working to see if we can't provide a printed version of this manual in the <$50 range- which should please those who enjoy our printed MD-11 manuals.- We have elected not to develop a 2D cockpit for this product. This will displease some users who very much enjoy their 2D cockpit- but this is a design decision that allows us to focus our efforts on on greater levels of innovation by saving a significant amount of development time as well as system overhead. We are also in the process of putting together a comprehensive series of pre-defined view points that will make it easy to navigate and utilize the virtual cockpit.- We will not release an FS9 version of this product. Market data shows a decreasing trend on FS2004- so we have decided for this new product line to focus only on FSX- as this allows us the greatest opportunity to explore new technologies.So- this our "Secret Project" that became not-quite-so-secret a few months ago. :( We hope you know how much we enjoyed seeing the conversation progress in which you all debated what the project was. Given the drift of that conversation, you will no doubt be delighted to learn that the next airplane in the series will be a Dash. We aren't telling you which one, however... We can't take all the mystery out of it, now- can we?(Now aren't you glad you read until the end of the post?) Robert S. Randazzo Precision Manuals Development Grouphttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

Usually always side with PMDG - but he does make a good point...

Usually always side with PMDG - but he does make a good point...

And just so you all know... I have been hinting to PMDG over and over again in various threads post J41 release about this. I have never straight up called them out with a new thread pertaining to this. I figured that would be rude. I have PMed Ryan a few days after he mentioned that he would talk to RSR about the promises and Ryan never got back to me. Since the J41 has been released and after I realised it didn't have the functionality that was promised, I mentioned to them in various threads, that if they can't afford to spend development time on these features, then please make an addon module to include these features for those of us who would like to buy the J41 that was promised. So, in a nutshell, I am definately not trying to call PMDG out for this, but I would like to have the option to put some more money in thier development piggy bank so that I and a few others can have the "PMDG J41" that we all expected.JB

Yeah, I've been reviewing all of these posts - and he's right. RSR did in-fact say these things, he actually said a lot of things that PMDG refuses to comment on - which to say the least is a little shady. I think they should shed some light on the above topics - not because they owe it to us, but because they originally stated these things would be included or at least, offered after-the-fact.I think that Ryan's response that RSR "just failed to mention had been cut later on" is completely bogus. RSR seems like he's got his S##T together, and forgetting a key component promised to the community seems unlike his prior ways of dealing with company operations. Not to mention that Ryan got completely called out for the fact that the the head of his company did in-fact say the J41 would be a "study sim". Come on boys - get it together.

Yeah, I've been reviewing all of these posts - and he's right. RSR did in-fact say these things, he actually said a lot of things that PMDG refuses to comment on - which to say the least is a little shady. I think they should shed some light on the above topics - not because they owe it to us, but because they originally stated these things would be included or at least, offered after-the-fact.I think that Ryan's response that RSR "just failed to mention had been cut later on" is completely bogus. RSR seems like he's got his S##T together, and forgetting a key component promised to the community seems unlike his prior ways of dealing with company operations. Not to mention that Ryan got completely called out for the fact that the the head of his company did in-fact say the J41 would be a "study sim". Come on boys - get it together.

Maybe I should start a thread pertaining to this? I have yet to do so, since I figured PMDG would have the class to address this without having to make a big fuss....And without making sucha fuss. Please feel free to view all my posts. You will find that my early and late questions in this forum regarding the failure module pre J41 release were never answered.Again, I don't wanna make anyone look bad, I just wanna get the product that was originally advertised ..... And ontop of this, I wanna pay for it too... I don't expect freebies, I know that the current J41 is worth the 45 bones, but lemme give you guys another 45 bones and you give me what was advertised for the product. JB

"JB"What you SHOULD start doing is signing your posts with your name.I don't want to inflame you at the moment- but I will order the admins to delete you on site if you don't comply with the forum guidelines.Thank you.

"JB"What you SHOULD start doing is signing your posts with your name.I don't want to inflame you at the moment- but I will order the admins to delete you on site if you don't comply with the forum guidelines.Thank you.

OkBut why is it that I have hundreds of posts on this forum with my initials and this is the first time I am being told to sign my full name? Why is it you guys want everyones full name anyway? Is it to make sure we paid for the product before we get support? I refrained from using my full name because of possible credit identity fraud... You know, name to IP then social etc...Anyway here it is..Jeff Barco

Ok I am going to heat this up:if this is a study sim then can we have a 2D panel then ? :(

I NEEEEEEED those raindrops. You guys are the best and I

ok

Woohoo!Oh, and provided this may be a free upgrade, the Team can take their sweet time. :(

Woohoo!

Niiiiiice :(

Wait, wait,Is that "ok" I hear you, or is that "ok" you will get it at some point? Would love to have this feature, it would go well with all the other small things (and big) that make PMDG the best at what they do.