IMHO, I look to PMDG to create products to provide the most accurate r/w experience possible. Given FS limitations and what I have now experienced, I would only want weather radar if PMDG figures out a way to accurately model it. Otherwise, for me, the product won't fulfill PMDG's tag line of "As real as it gets"! :(

That's right. What's the reason of spending time working on something that everybody knows that won't work properly? They could project a Wx radar for their aircraft, but a couple of weeks later, a lot of people would start complaining that the system doesn't work well. This doesn't make any sense.

In fsx a weather radar is simply a cloud finder. I am sure that fsx clouds do not contain any detctable moisture!!! Regardless of weather (no pun intended) there is a Wx radar or not will not break the deal for me.

If, on the other hand, you take the 'as real as it gets' phrase to mean 'as real as we can get it, given the constraints we are forced to work with for FS', then I'm of the opinion that a partially usable radar is better than no radar at all. No radar at all is of course 'considerably less real than it gets'. If you see what I mean. After all, the windscreen wipers aren't really wiping water off the windows, but I'm sure we'd all prefer to have a switch that would make us at least feel like they were doing it.But, it's not really a big deal to me. I'll just put it in as a 2D pop up CS Weather Radar in there, as I do with all my other FS aeroplanes that would have a radar, just as I put the FSFK ACARS in there for aircraft that would have SELCAL and ACARS. It ain't totally like the real deal, but it offers me a partially similar capability to the real deal.Al

I say that PMDG doesn't show anymore Screenshots until the VC has been exported to FSX. I think showing renders is misleading. I have no doubt that the VC will look unlike anything else in FSX but I'm sure we have several hundred people new on the forums and checking out the new NGX...isn't it false advertising? If i'm wrong tell me. Your thoughtsRon Hamilton

In a way I have to agree with this. Not that PMDG means to mislead anyone (these are just teaser pics anyway), but I think showing screenshots from a 3D development software program and not FSX itself is inherently misleading.I have no doubt that this aircraft is going to look totally awesome in FSX, but I think that is where we need to start seeing it now that we have seen these "teasers".I have a couple of suggestions for things that some people can do while they wait for the release. This, of course, doesn't apply to everyone, but you will know if this applies to you:1. People thinking about buying the NGX also need to start thinking about upgrading their systems to a level that is going to handle the detail that they are seeing in these screenshots smoothly. Otherwise they will be extremely disappointed when they pay the cost of this aircraft (which is justified in not being cheap), and find themselves shuddering through default airports, not to mention Mega-Heathrow, London and San Francisco X.To speak through my past experience, don't expect this NGX aircraft to work satisfactorily with the minimum PMDG published requirements, or even well above that. In fact you can expect that you will need much more than the "suggested" requirements, if you have additional addon scenery and weather programs and the NGX is not the only tenant in your FSX dwelling.Again PMDG is NOT misleading anyone. They will be saying that it will work in a certain environment. The problem is that we don't want it to work, we want it to excel. I suggest that anyone that has a computer that was assembled anywhere near two years ago, needs to seriously consider investing in a new and cutting edge i7 powerbox, so it will be ready like a plushing virgin bride, when the NGX is. Being in this forum and looking at screenshots of something that your computer is going to present as a slide-show in FSX, is not something that your going to be happy with and you will NOT be satisfied with anything less than smooooth performance when executing your first city-pair.2. Next, once you finally have a system that is capable of handling FSX and a complete and complex aircraft like the NGX at Mega-Heathrow with LondonX, you will need to tune that box (hopefully installed with Windows 7 64x) or it still won't handle it either out of the package.Solution: There are tons of brand new information on the Avsim forum and also on Flight1's SimForum on properly tuning W7 options and your graphics card along with some "first-aid" (and free) addons to make FSX behave like a buck-private at Paris Island. This is very good information and if you follow it to the letter, it will work fantastic. The result is that FSX will run as smooth on your PC using any of PMDG's endowments, as XBox runs on your TV.This should give many of the simmers looking for new screenshots and eventually, to buy the NGX, something to do until it is released. No more being bored waiting for screenshots. Get out and deliver some pizzas. :(

PMDG don't have to show us any teasers, regardless of what they have been rendered in, just be grateful for what they have shown us.

PMDG don't have to show us any teasers, regardless of what they have been rendered in, just be grateful for what they have shown us.

surtenly in comperison with digtal avation's VC :(

I say that PMDG doesn't show anymore Screenshots until the VC has been exported to FSX. I think showing renders is misleading. I have no doubt that the VC will look unlike anything else in FSX but I'm sure we have several hundred people new on the forums and checking out the new NGX...isn't it false advertising? If i'm wrong tell me. Your thoughtsRon Hamilton

No Ron I think it is great advertising. Look at all of us drooling in anticipation of the release of the NGX. Give everyone a little tease every so often and we are good to go. RS Churchill

If anything PMDG should be working on their servers for the 100000+ downloads in first 1min when released LOL!! :(

surtenly in comperison with digtal avation's VC angry.gif

eh??

In a way I have to agree with this. Not that PMDG means to mislead anyone (these are just teaser pics anyway), but I think showing screenshots from a 3D development software program and not FSX itself is inherently misleading.I have no doubt that this aircraft is going to look totally awesome in FSX, but I think that is where we need to start seeing it now that we have seen these "teasers".

Cmon, we didn't lie and say they were from the sim or anything like that. Someone asked right away if they were 3ds Max renders and we said they were. As I said earlier though, I think once you do see it in the sim you're going to be a lot less apt to say there's anything misleading about the render shots - it is not some huge difference between the two. I have seen it in the sim, it looks amazing. You'll get screenshots soon enough to prove it.

1. People thinking about buying the NGX also need to start thinking about upgrading their systems to a level that is going to handle the detail that they are seeing in these screenshots smoothly. Otherwise they will be extremely disappointed when they pay the cost of this aircraft (which is justified in not being cheap), and find themselves shuddering through default airports, not to mention Mega-Heathrow, London and San Francisco X.To speak through my past experience, don't expect this NGX aircraft to work satisfactorily with the minimum PMDG published requirements, or even well above that. In fact you can expect that you will need much more than the "suggested" requirements, if you have additional addon scenery and weather programs and the NGX is not the only tenant in your FSX dwelling.Again PMDG is NOT misleading anyone. They will be saying that it will work in a certain environment. The problem is that we don't want it to work, we want it to excel. I suggest that anyone that has a computer that was assembled anywhere near two years ago, needs to seriously consider investing in a new and cutting edge i7 powerbox, so it will be ready like a plushing virgin bride, when the NGX is. Being in this forum and looking at screenshots of something that your computer is going to present as a slide-show in FSX, is not something that your going to be happy with and you will NOT be satisfied with anything less than smooooth performance when executing your first city-pair.2. Next, once you finally have a system that is capable of handling FSX and a complete and complex aircraft like the NGX at Mega-Heathrow with LondonX, you will need to tune that box (hopefully installed with Windows 7 64x) or it still won't handle it either out of the package.Solution: There are tons of brand new information on the Avsim forum and also on Flight1's SimForum on properly tuning W7 options and your graphics card along with some "first-aid" (and free) addons to make FSX behave like a buck-private at Paris Island. This is very good information and if you follow it to the letter, it will work fantastic. The result is that FSX will run as smooth on your PC using any of PMDG's endowments, as XBox runs on your TV.This should give many of the simmers looking for new screenshots and eventually, to buy the NGX, something to do until it is released. No more being bored waiting for screenshots. Get out and deliver some pizzas. :(

I'd really appreciate if everyone could restrain themselves from making performance judgments based on a few screenshots. High resolution textures and detailed 3D modeling does not automatically equal bad performance. There's a ton of new techniques going on here. A major difference with the NGX is that a new person is behind the display and systems integration programming, as opposed to the person who did that programming on the older products. This is his first product with us and he's brought a ton with him in terms of optimization and programming techniques. The FMC has been entirely rewritten, all the display draw code and custom sound code is new and uses current generation APIs instead of older ones. We very much have performance in mind with this product. Seriously, we're nearing half a million views on this thread, the interest is huge, would we really go and release something that no one can run?

Gosh, im gonna love this. FS2Crew and this, this will be fantastic! Can you give us a tough time frame on when we will get our next dose of screenshots? BTW, please not a December Release. Its the holidays and all the sales (real and FS) are on. It will break my wallet >:(

Couldn't agree more with what Ryan says here. There seems to be some kind of assumption from many (based on nothing other than wild guesswork and a few screenshots from 3DSMax) that we are all going to have to go out and buy new computers just to be able to run PMDG's NGX. And I just don't think that is going to be the case.For a variety of reasons, there are some people who are blindly in love with PMDG, and others who are not, but what impresses me most about the company, over and above their commitment to fidelity in simulating aircraft, is that they have made serious attempts to optimise how things run in FS, and that is more than apparent when the older 737 and 747 from PMDG are compared to more recent products in terms of how they performed when they first were released.Just because an FS aircraft has a pretty VC, with well observed textures, does not mean that it will be a slideshow, and that's probably even more true for PMDG, who have demonstrated that in the progression of their product catalogue. As anyone who has ever made an aeroplane for FS will know, a lot of how it performs in the sim is down to how you go about making it. Even a fairly simple aeroplane can run sluggishly in FS if it hasn't been made in the best way possible. Check out, for example, the Abacus Cessna Skycatcher for FSX; there probably could not be a simpler modern single GA aircraft, but despite its simplicity, it does not get very high frame rates in FSX, then compare that to the SkySim DC-9, which is a fairly complex airliner with a pretty good VC, yet it runs beautifully in FSX, zipping along with great frame rates.Some of that is of course down to instrumentation, but not all of it is, there is texture optimistation, polygon count, texture numbers, gauge programming techniques, systems running outside of SDK parameters, what is left out as well as what is put in, etc, etc, and PMDG really seem to know what they are doing in this aspect of making add-ons. So I'm personally of the opinion that people will be surprised how well the new PMDG NG runs, and that's not based on guesswork, but from the knowledge that squeezing more performance out of FS is something that PMDG have very evidently managed to do over the years.Al

This sounds like its going to be the Bog's Dollocks :)

I agree, this will not, not most likely wont, but it will not be as bad as FSXtreme said. That would be horrible, and we wouldn't spend all of that money just so FSX will not play very well. The 747 probably has less FPS. I am glad that they are taking their time to make sure it is the best for all of us. They know if it was on a disk, that they would be sold out in the first 30 seconds. This will be fantastic. This is going to be a very good product, and I can't wait to get it. I already love it. Very good job PMDG, very good indeed.ThanksAlexp.s.Do you think that they would risk at all being worse than Ariane? That would ruin their reputation. If this addon isn't a hit, then most people would purchase their, very expensive package of 737's, or they would modify the FS9 PMDG 737NG to FSX. Some people may even go back Wilco's 737 classic series. I do not lie it very much since the VC has alot of 2D panels, but it is better than nothing. Since PMDG is upgrading everything on this, you know it may it your FPS a little, but it will not make it less than 5-10 FPS unless you have a terrible computer.

Gosh, im gonna love this. FS2Crew and this, this will be fantastic!

My feelings exactly. All my other aircraft are gonna collect a lot of dust in the hanger once this plane is delivered.