October 8, 201015 yr Hey there everyone, I have $400 and currently I am debating whether to get the Saitek Pro Flight yoke system and get the rudder pedals, or get the Flight System G940. I will only be using either one for Flight Simulator X and no other games. Now I know they each have their up's and down's but I need some educated opinions. Also, after I buy whichever of the 2 systems, i'll have 100 or so dollars so I am also debating on getting the Concorde-X, or getting the PMDG MD-11. I also need some educated opinions on that as well. Thank you all for your time, happy flying!
October 8, 201015 yr I don't know about the hardware but the software I could give you an answer. I don't own the concorde although I have looked into it but I do own the MD11 and its a GREAT plane. Highly recommend it. Other than the 747 from PMDG the MD11 is my second favorite
October 8, 201015 yr Regarding Yoke: I wouldn't go for either of those. I have owned the CH Products USB Flight Sim Yoke for almost 10 years now, and absolutely love it (also have the Throttle Quadrant and Rudder Pedals, all USB). All top notch stuff, in my opinion.Regarding Concorde vs MD11: I own both, and both are great planes. But, if you have to choose one or the other, you may find you'll get more milage out of the MD11 (I mean, there are only so many flights you can do with a Concorde!) - William Ruppel, CYTZ, VATSIM 816871
October 8, 201015 yr Personally, I'd stick with the yoke and pedals if you plan on playing just flight sim. Considering most aircraft have a yoke and not a stick, it's probably a safe bet.If you don't have rudder pedals yet, then that's an absolute must. On takeoff, taxiing, and approach you're on them constantly. Honestly, though, I dislike all of the lower-end consumer rudder pedals today. No aircraft I know of has horizontal or near horizontal rudder pedals, certainly not the real Cessna's I've flown. It doesn't look or feel real compared to the near vertical rudder pedals of the real thing. But if it's a choice between no rudder pedals and horizontal ones, well, I guess something is better than nothing. I had the CH pedals for many years and they'll do ok, but I was lucky to happen across a good deal on some Flight Link pedals on eBay which I wouldn't trade for anything. The yokes, well I've owned both the older CH yoke and now have the current Saitek yoke. I personally like the Saitek better. It has a more solid feel. Eventually, though, I'd like to get to something with a little smoother movement and minimal middle detents, which are a pain when you're trying to fly level in bumpy weather.My 2 cents. Tony
October 8, 201015 yr Though some seem to have had problems with the Saitek yoke, I have had mine for about a year and I love it. I have the pedals also along with two Saitek TQ's, one that came with the yoke and I purchased a second one. All perform great.I don't know if you'll be using only yoke equipped aircraft or not, but I also use an older joystick for the aircraft that are stick equipped.Still have my CH TQ from the time it was first released, but I like the Saiteks better especially after I built an inclined platform for them so the feel and accessibility of the buttons was more natural. Can't say anything about the MD-11 as I don't have it. I do have PMDG's 737 though. So I recommend the Saitek yoke and TQ along with the pedals.Jim D.
October 8, 201015 yr Hey there everyone, I have $400 and currently I am debating whether to get the Saitek Pro Flight yoke system and get the rudder pedals, or get the Flight System G940. I will only be using either one for Flight Simulator X and no other games. Now I know they each have their up's and down's but I need some educated opinions. Also, after I buy whichever of the 2 systems, i'll have 100 or so dollars so I am also debating on getting the Concorde-X, or getting the PMDG MD-11. I also need some educated opinions on that as well. Thank you all for your time, happy flying! Disclaimer: I am aware of the fact these are all personal opinions, so here is mine: :biggrin:In any case do NOT and never dump one cent in that yoke. If you are thinking about the yoke and the G940, don't even think about it. I have tried both. The yoke is (sorry, don't mean to insult anyone) probably the worst you can get as for a yoke, the feeling is just complete plain wrong, but that's just IMHO and I have flown some full jet flight sims, it doesn't even come close. I have to admit what bothers me most with it, also the throttle, is the obvious "plastic" feel, which is so much more pronounced compared to many other products.The pedals are "ok" but also, as said above, first of all their angle is way off and again, those springs just don't do the job. No feel any close to reality at all, but in case of pedals I'd indeed say "better than nothing"... :( You could move these devices with your pinky, try that in a plane.Although as a stick it would probably be more suited to a 'bus or military type of aircraft, the G940 will get you a way better feel for the $ I am convinced. Plus you get some FF if you care about that. It's a stick, but it's a solid product.IMHO, it comes down to if you definately want a yoke no matter what or if you could go with a stick, even if the "form" is not like what most planes actually have.Personally I have always flown sticks (also because I simply lack the $ to get a HQ yoke). IMHO, unless you are into serious cockpit building, there are SO many drawbacks with desktop simulation anyways that I really don't see why a bad yoke would help make it any better. For me it's certainly "form follows function", and you may replace "function" by "feel" for me. :Party:On a side note as it's likely no more option nowadays, and I am repeating myself over and over here since I have stated it numerous times in other posts recently, if you want a feeling that's about a thousand times better than any other stick, only the old Thrustmaster comes to mind. When I grabbed that one for the first time it was a true revelation. Feeling wise I felt right at home. They didn't care to put a lot of kilos into this device, and it's only for the better. Well it's getting old and it has it's flaws, but they are building a new highly advanced device at the moment (called Warthog), which is probably killer but unfortunately modelled after the A-10. I would love them if they did something new in a more generic style.Just my $.02. Kind regards
October 8, 201015 yr My suggestion would be to get the saitek yoke and rudder pedals and then buy a cheap USB joystick for if and when you need it, or in other words; when we get an Airbus.I have the Saitek yoke with throttle quandrant and saitek rudder pedals, and they are great. Sam Crawford "Don't judge the intelligence of an individual by the number of posts that they have made. Wait until they say something stupid first." CTC Cadet - www.ctcwings.co.uk
October 8, 201015 yr At PMDG, they produce the Boeing models. They use the "old-fashoned" yoke, as well as probobly 90% of other aircraft, contrary to the Airbus joystic. Yoke would be more realistic if you fly anything but Airbus. Eric Vander Pilot and Controller Boston Virtual ATC KATL - The plural form of cow. KORD - Something you put in a power socket. UNIT - Something of measure My 747 Fuel Calculator
October 8, 201015 yr If I could offer a suggestion, would you consider getting a few lessons at your local flight school and spending the remainder on a joystick from ebay. Paul Smith.
October 8, 201015 yr If I could offer a suggestion, would you consider getting a few lessons at your local flight school and spending the remainder on a joystick from ebay....and don't forget pedals!Not a bad idea. The first time I flew the real thing I had a smile from ear-to-ear all day. There's just nothing like it! And it'll give you a true sense for how things are supposed to feel which never hurts to have :( You might even find Flight Sim takes a back seat once you get hooked on the real thing, haha. Tony
October 8, 201015 yr Author Well, I just got back from school and... I never expected to have so many replies! Thank you all so much for your opinions. Just thought i'd throw this out there, i'm getting full flying lessons in a couple months. Back on topic, from what i've seen in this posts, apparently the Saitek Pro Flight System is a crappy non realistic plastic feeling peace of junk while the G940, has some nice metal parts and the pedals look way more realistic and is probably better. I currently have a Logitech Attack 3 joystick so I guess i'll be going with the G940 then? If anyone else suggests anything else i'll go check it out ( if it's in my budget)! Oh and, I don't exactly NEED a yoke, I am ok with a joystick too as I have one now which I use for everything. But mainly the only thing I fly would be the Level-D 767 and PMDG 747-8i. Also, about the MD-11 or the concorde, I guess i'll get the MD-11 first and see how that goes, then get the Concorde-X. Thanks for the suggestions on that. Finally, I forgot to ask, which Rudder pedals should I get? the CH or the Saitek? Are the CH pedals compatible with the Saitek pro flight?
October 8, 201015 yr Hi, I own G940 for two weeks now and I love this thing, joystick is very (I mean very) precise and sensitive, it doesn't have any spring etc (only centering by force feedback) so I needed some time to get used to it, pedals are OK, they don't slide on floor and are comfortable to use with or without boots. Now throttle... I hate it, but I hate it only in split mode because throttles are not synchronized, I was offered to send it for repairs by Logitech and maybe I will do it, but for now I'm using it as single throttle and it's OK, I have assigned almost whole FD from J41 to it's buttons so it became so easier to use that I can't live without it now Yes, I too fly only FSX (OK, I like DCS but I don't have it, yet) and I had the same dilemma yoke vs joystick, but I think that joystick is more "flexible" and PMDG is (maybe) working on Airbus so...
October 8, 201015 yr Author Yeah, I looked at CH products and that's out of the question now, I don't like CH. But what I was thinking of doing was getting the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System and get the CH rudder pedals because the ones sold by Saitek look like ######. I have also been thinking of getting the G940 but I've read some bugs on it and I feel like trying a yoke for once. I'll let you all know what I do. Thanks again. If you can convince me to get something, whatever that may be other than CH, then i'll get it. I want to be convinced to buy the G940 but I don't know.
October 8, 201015 yr MD11 for sure it is unbelievable Jeff Blyth MD11 J41 747 NGX . . awaiting 777 !!!
October 8, 201015 yr I'm flying with the G940 and I must say I'm not entirely satisfied with it. It's a pain to calibrate it and when you have everything set-up, it might still sometimes forget everything in the middle of a flight and you have to recalibrate the thing every 2 weeks.... Hauke Verrept
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