You need a better argument .... all reviews are "personal and biased". To have a none personal or biased review, it would have to be done by a computer... so as long as humans do reviews .. they will be personal and biased.

Tierborn (can't you just sign your name? I feel like I'm talking to a robot or someones pet eagle)I'm afraid no argument for x plane will be good enough for you. I have yet to see you post anything positive about X Plane. Any discussion with you about x plane is entirely futile and pointless. You have your opinion, and no matter what anyone says, you will never change it.

Perhaps if the thread title was called "My initial observations of the XP10 demo/beta" the unfortunate tone of the thread may have been averted?

That's exactly what I assumed his comments were.As for the unfortunate tone, if certain had been more charitable and seen the OP's commentary for what it obviously was then the unfortunate tone could have been entirely avoided.----------

I think next time if you find something bad about x-plane, shhh...... don't say it here. If you find something good about x-plane, yes! speak loudly here!

Pretty much.

That's exactly what I assumed his comments were.As for the unfortunate tone, if certain had been more charitable and seen the OP's commentary for what it obviously was then the unfortunate tone could have been entirely avoided.----------Pretty much.

The title of the thread is "Initial REVIEW...."When i see that, I don't see "observation". I see "review"

Tierborn (can't you just sign your name? I feel like I'm talking to a robot or someones pet eagle)I'm afraid no argument for x plane will be good enough for you. I have yet to see you post anything positive about X Plane. Any discussion with you about x plane is entirely futile and pointless. You have your opinion, and no matter what anyone says, you will never change it.

I keep telling you that I fly xplane .. not sure what you are talking about. But you are attacking again.Aside: you will have to ask 90% of the folks posting to this forum to sign ..

Do I come across as hostile to you to?

More unreasonable and immature than anything.

I still have no idea why people who dislike x plane so much continue to come to the x plane forums.

I couldn't say. I'm planning on buying XP10 myself (first XP purchase; it's time to take a step up from FSX), although I'm not looking forward to the 6-hours it will take to install all 75GB of scenery. I can just see it now: "Why no, dear, I can't help you with the weekend housework. I have a new game to install."

I keep telling you that I fly xplane .. not sure what you are talking about. But you are attacking again.

May I kindly and respectfully (without attacking you) ask what payware do you have?(I feel like I'm talking to my ex girlfriend when she's PMSing!)

Tierborn (can't you just sign your name? I feel like I'm talking to a robot or someones pet eagle)I'm afraid no argument for x plane will be good enough for you. I have yet to see you post anything positive about X Plane. Any discussion with you about x plane is entirely futile and pointless. You have your opinion, and no matter what anyone says, you will never change it.

Goran,I admire your tenacity but you're dealing with MSFS zombies here...... they will just keep coming ....... wave after wave.Whatever you do....when you get tired of exploding their heads with logic and reason, and you decide to start running for your escape.... don't.... I repeat...... don't fall down and start crawling backwards and wimpering!!You've got to keep moving.....They're slow but really consistent!Craig

May I kindly and respectfully (without attacking you) ask what payware do you have?(I feel like I'm talking to my ex girlfriend when she's PMSing!)

again .. attacking. And you wonder why folks call you "hostile". I have bought all Xplane versions (I keep hoping it will get better) .... I do not have any payware for xplane.

I couldn't say. I'm planning on buying XP10 myself (first XP purchase; it's time to take a step up from FSX), although I'm not looking forward to the 6-hours it will take to install all 75GB of scenery. I can just see it now: "Why no, dear, I can't help you with the weekend housework. I have a new game to install."

You could always install the scenery in sections over different days. And it will ship on 8 DVD's. X plane 9 took 5 hours on 6 DVD's.

The title of the thread is "Initial REVIEW...."When i see that, I don't see "observation". I see "review"

Now you're just playing semantics. Despite what he titled the thread, I think it's pretty obvious what his intent was.

again .. attacking. And you wonder why folks call you "hostile". I have bought all Xplane versions .... I do not have any payware for xplane.

LOL, ok. Respectfully and kindly asking and I'm attacking again. Are you really THAT insecure?Forgive me if I don't believe you have X Plane.

Now you're just playing semantics. Despite what he titled the thread, I think it's pretty obvious what his intent was.

It is what it is. I take things at face value. He said review. I take it as a review. Semantics has nothing to do with it. He should have said "First look".

The title of the thread is "Initial REVIEW...."When i see that, I don't see "observation". I see "review"

Why not see it as INITIAL review then?? - the OP may come back with further "reviews" although he's probably been switched off from even thinking about that given the response.There is also the same argument - when I see demo , i don't see beta!!RegardsSteve

Goran,I admire your tenacity but you're dealing with MSFS zombies here...... they will just keep coming ....... wave after wave.Whatever you do....when you get tired of exploding their heads with logic and reason, and you decide to start running for your escape.... don't.... I repeat...... don't fall down and start crawling backwards and wimpering!!You've got to keep moving.....They're slow but really consistent!Craig

Meh. I work with a 19 year old, 25 year old and a 28 year old. (My brilliant staff.) If I can handle working with a 19 year old, I can handle ANYTHING. I only keep him on because I can randomly yell at him for nothing and he tells me where to stick it. And also because he is a genius with Photoshop.

This is just a general thought here, so don't take it as if i'm trying to be rude, but do you think X-Plane has been rushed and launched way to early just so it doesn't miss "another" deadline that was promised? I was surprised when Austin was presenting X-Plane 10 at FSWeekend and he saids it was the first time every part of X-Plane had been put together to make the full product, and were now what only 2-4 weeks on and the demo has been launched.It just feels that no proper Alpha or Beta testing has been done, otherwise they would of picked up on these mistakes.I also feel that there was little PR before release, all we got was updates on the news feed on X-Plane.com, which is quite hard to find as well. There were no trailers, no videos showing all the protential XP 10 has to offer, it was only when they launched the demo did they include some new screenshots, but that was about it. I just feel i'm paying for a simulator I have very little knowledge about. They should of built X-Plane 10 up a bit, like most companies do, instead of me going "o WOW this is amazing, this looks like a whole new X-Plane, can't wait to buy it!" i'm actually just feeling like its an update to X-Plane 9 because of such little excitement that was made during the launch of X-Plane 10.Overall I think X-Plane 10 was rushed, so that it could be launched before Christmas as it would be embarrassing to miss another deadline again, and so they could get those Christmas sales as well. It's sad because X-Plane 10 seems to have so much protential going for it and had the developers just done some proper Beta testing, ironed out the bugs, flaws and awful frame rate problem, X-Plane 10 could of actually of been put on par with FSX or better.Thats my two cents,Matt

Why not see it as INITIAL review then?? - the OP may come back with further "reviews" although he's probably been switched off from even thinking about that given the response.There is also the same argument - when I see demo , i don't see beta!!RegardsSteve

Exactly. So it's safe to say his "review" raised more debate and questions than anything else. There is always a way to say things and I'm afraid his choice of words through most of the review was not what I would expect to see in other, professionally written reviews.