Just to let you in on something about this thread, the night lighting alone is worth the price of admission. As any developer of scenery would attest, this is paramount, revolutionary even, ask them if you can't figure it out yourself. Take it as you will, XPX will revolutionize the industry, even if means we need to learn a few new tricks.

Peter is referring to "active camera". It's not a position in the cockpit. I lets the cockpit amimation, such as siderails, move in comparison to a static and motionless cockpit against an outside scene. It makes the concept of VC's seem much more real.It was introduced by third parties in FS9, and became standard with FSX

Oh, I see what he is referring to now. Doesn't XP10 have this now though? Being able to move in and out of the cockpit and around the cabin etc? Austin was doing it in his presentation in the 747.Cheers.Rhydian

Of course if he had given a glowing review, you guys would be slapping him on the back and shaking his hand, right?

You're misunderstanding something. He reviewed a Demo/Beta version, less than 24 hours after it was released. Reviewers get crucified for not spending enough hours in FSX products. If it was honest, objective and unbiased, I would shake his hand.If he made a glowing review, saying it was flawless, I would think he was smoking something not legal in most states.I've had people wanting to review my products and they asked me if there was anything I would want them to look at in particular. I ALWAYS tell them, just keep it HONEST and UNBIASED.

You're misunderstanding something. He reviewed a Demo/Beta version, less than 24 hours after it was released.Reviewers get crucified for not spending enough hours in FSX products. If it was honest, objective and unbiased, I would shake his hand.If he made a glowing review, saying it was flawless, I would think he was smoking something not legal in most states.I've had people wanting to review my products and they asked me if there was anything I would want them to look at in particular. I ALWAYS tell them, just keep it HONEST and UNBIASED.

And what's wrong with anything he posted then?You're saying he's dishonest and biased. In what way?

Just to let you in on something about this thread, the night lighting alone is worth the price of admission. As any developer of scenery would attest, this is paramount, revolutionary even, ask them if you can't figure it out yourself. Take it as you will, XPX will revolutionize the industry, even if means we need to learn a few new tricks.

...and the OP stated this clearly.....in the first paragraph of his post:"Night Lighting - XP10 has the best night lighting I've seen period. The night lighting hits the suspension of disbelief almost dead on and simply makes the lighting in FSX (and probably Flight) look amateurish by comparison. I'd say that night in XP10 can be down right breath taking."....and still got slated for his trouble and for having the audacity to give his opinion!!!RegardsSteve

Hi,I don't know. I played with it (seriously) for a couple of hours and it certainly will appeal to some but not to the seriously invested FSX pilot. To me, my first impression was that of an animated movie I watched with the grand kids awhile back. Not sure if it was ANTS or some other little critter movie. But it started out with the camera above the clouds and the camera slowly sank down into the neighborhood where these critters were lived while the narrator was doing the preamble . I remember the cartoon-ish neighborhood in the movie, and that was my first thought when flying around. I could not help it, that is what popped in the ole brain. I was hoping too that they could have at least integrated a medium complexity aircraft for the demo. I got to the point where I saw no purpose for "The Demo" except maybe that it really was a beta in disguise, to help with the testing effort maybe. If your going to do a Demo, would you not think that it just might be done so they could show off some of the great things about it. I must say though that I was impressed with the detail at low level, at least the freeways and little cars and trucks, and I actually spotted a police car with it's lights flashing. I just did not see the realism factor at all. Honestly, I was looking forward to this sim, and hoping that it was going to knock my socks off. I am not here to slam the sim really, I am here to voice my disappointment. I guess Flight is not to far off and hopefully it will offer a demo that once you experience it, you flip open your wallet and say "I want this".RegardsBob

I think Bert is saying that it is a basic airplane in terms of "it's not a 737 or Concord"., Rather it is one that is a simple to fly plane that is depicted very nicely in a well rendered and complex software package.

Thanks! Yes, that is what I'm saying..and since I have now been told that the Demo I downloaded is not a Demo.. let me reset..When XPlane is ready to release a "Demo" - learn from this feedback, please!Get some folks together to decide what it would take to really impress a new potential customer.What documentation / Startup Guide to provide, what settings to suggest (or preset),what airplane to offer up for the demo (if you have to strike a deal with a payware provider, do it!).This sim has potential - I can see it, but it is HARD to get into and I've had to changeat least a dozen settings to get it to fly "kind of OK" on my mainstream Windows computerwith a CH Products Flight Yoke, and Saitek pedals... nothing out of the ordinary..

I want to like XP10, I really do. The technologoy behind it is amazing! But its hamstrung by its overly complex UI that a lot of people just throw there hands up and walk away. Its not a game you can just hop in and fly. It takes a lot of time just to set up a joystick for the most basic flight! Even then, I still had to have a XP guy Skype me and walk me though just setting up my joystick. Im in no way new to flight sims. I have been flying since Air Warrior and SWOTL and going back to DOS, but XP's UI just baffles me. If im like this, I fear for any new user that gives is a try and get lost. For a long time I didnt even know there was any aircraft to fly other then the 747 just due to the bad UI!!!I would say 90% of my problem with XP in general is pure UI gripes. Other then that, performance is good (AMD 6x CPU, ATI 4950), the flight feels good (when I can get my joystick to work) and the visuals are crisp. Its amazing what the XP team has done, but they really need someone to make the UI more user friendly.

And what's wrong with anything he posted then?You're saying he's dishonest and biased. In what way?

My friendI don't care if you're George Siskel or Roger Ebert, you CANNOT thoroughly review X Plane 10 when it's a Demo/Beta version released for less than 24 hours with unoptimized code.It's like watching a movie for 5 minutes and writing a review on it based on who's starring in it.I wonder what would happen if I "reviewed" an FSX add on WITHOUT the "service pack" or patches applied to it?Very curious.

My friendI don't care if you're George Siskel or Roger Ebert, you CANNOT thoroughly review X Plane 10 when it's a Demo/Beta version released for less than 24 hours with unoptimized code.It's like watching a movie for 5 minutes and writing a review on it based on who's starring in it.I wonder what would happen if I "reviewed" an FSX add on WITHOUT the "service pack" or patches applied to it?Very curious.

So come on then, tell us what is wrong with the mini-review.He's stated that it's a review of the demo/beta. Tell us what's wrong with it.

So come on then, tell us what is wrong with the mini-review.He's stated that it's a review of the demo/beta. Tell us what's wrong with it.

I wouldn't want to come across as "hostile".The only thing I'll say is, I don't think I have ever seen someone review a Beta of ANYTHING.EDIT: Seeing as he put that much effort into reviewing a demo/beta, I look forward to him reviewing the optimized version in the coming few months.

Well I just bought one my familiar FSX planes, Carenados Bonanza F33 for Xplane and inserted it into XP10, it worked perfectly. Now I can fly and beta test in style.

You're misunderstanding something. He reviewed a Demo/Beta version, less than 24 hours after it was released.

No, I'm not misunderstanding anything. Personally, I don't see anything suspect about his commentary and thought it was very reasonable, but of course I don't have a vested interest in X-Plane like you apparently do.

Reviewers get crucified for not spending enough hours in FSX products.

Do they? I wouldn't know.

I've had people wanting to review my products and they asked me if there was anything I would want them to look at in particular. I ALWAYS tell them, just keep it HONEST and UNBIASED.

And what makes you think his comments were dishonest and biased?Really, the only person who appears unreasonable here is you with your "RAWR! Must defend X-Plane!" attitude.

Bert, it's not a demo, it's a beta. That was made clear.

I don't know a lot about xplane tbh. I know what it is and I have bought every version of FS since it was out on the C64 so I am not new to simming but as I say I dont know much about xplane except a new version was coming. On the ED forums I saw a post that xplane 10 was out so I went to have a look. I gave up the download because the speeds were far too slow. Nowhere did I see this is a beta. I am not sure how that was made clear. It's not on their front page where the download link is. Maybe to longtime stalwarts this was know but to casual people like myself I had no idea. Glad I caught up with this thread as I don't want to waste the bandwidth (pay per GB here) at the moment. Maybe when they are past beta stage and have fps issues sorted out. Anyway, it still doesnt say beta on their site so perhaps they should?

I think that one of the issues is whether this is a beta or a demo - and to be fair, the website states its a demo and NOT a beta - and I think the difference is subtle but massively important.To me, a demo is a demonstration of a products strengths - it demonstrates its qualities and should attempt to give a user (consumer) the WOW factor and say to someone " Come and buy me".Again, to me, a beta is almost the opposite, its a product deliberately asking for feedback, good and bad and also to be criticized, find the bugs/flaws, what do we need to change amend, what do people like or not like etc and its a little odd that someone installs the product and then gives feedback (good and bad remember he is praising the night lighting and water/sky details) he gets shouted down like that. He also gets shouted down in a patronising manner by some posters which ain't gonna do no-one any good.I think the issue in this thread is that the OP has titled the thread as a "review" (and take him to task over that is petty) rather than feedback. It can either be a beta, or it can be a demo but imo I don't think it can be both.RegardsSteve