Ray I think you're missing the point. For example...I pre paid for PAKT on October 31st with the promise of a "deal" of 15% off before it goes for full price. A "deal" for my loyalty. PAKT was released on December 23rd at full price, and now only a few days later, it is on sale (December 27th) for 33% off.I feel like a sucker for giving them my money so early and in all honesty I am a sucker for doing this.If you were running a business how would you react to a customer that feels this way?

I bet you the next sale you see from Orbx will not be very far out and it will be either 40% off or 50% off. Any takers......I only bought the 3 area scenery packages from Orbx today, I will save my small airport list for a better sale.Happy Ray,

Yip I also suspect another sale not tooo distant in the future.. happened last year also, so dont be suprised..!! I also have lined up a few smaller/ older airports for the next round...

"Caveat empetor" I think is the latin phrase?Orbx and John Venema will have to work for my cash from now on.....as already stated, clearly you are better off waiting for a sale than putting faith in these guys.None of this would have been a problem if the 8 recent pre-pay items had not been included (as usual).I only purchased one as well.....if I had gone for all of them I would be royally ######!As it is, I got to "enjoy" 0S9 a whole 2 days before the 33% discountOf course, the threads on the FTX forum are now locked.....but Orbx should understand there ARE consequences to actions and reactions.....especially in the retail world with a limited customer base.

Well "Great Ozzie" If you cannot see the lack of understanding in Johns comments to his customers by calling them "Selfish"and then procceeding to lock the thread,Then I'm affraid I won't be of much help to you.This is a Business PR move dissaster in a classic sense.I'm just glad it's not my business.

"Caveat empetor" I think is the latin phrase?Orbx and John Venema will have to work for my cash from now on.....as already stated, clearly you are better off waiting for a sale than putting faith in these guys.

This is exactly how I feel Glenn... to me this is how the "market" should work.One question... what do you mean by "putting faith" in them?A company makes a product, then I, as a consumer, decide whether or not to "invest" my hard earned dollars into that product. They should have to work for my cash. I cannot afford to give "charity dollars" to them or subsidize their company by making a certain amount of purchases. If they want to be subsidized by me, then I wait for the IPO.Again... this is how I see a business / consumer relationship... and Patrick... I think John's comments reflect that of a business owner.-Rob

Perhaps you are right Rob, it is foolish to invest anything more than money in a business or consumer purchase; loyalty and expectation of shared friendship and trust is misplaced and worthy only of public contempt and dishonour. I now understand why you feel how you feel, for as you so strongly indicated, you simply deal in the first, and not the latter. Certainly you have a lot less to lose than some of the rest of us, who might have invested our emotions as a bit of our hearts, as well as our funds. Now that you and the others who agree with you have been proven right all along, that it was not simply a mistake or misunderstanding on ORBX's part, but a cold calculated move meant to attract the otherwise disinterested, we will see if what goes around comes around. I hope you enjoy your sceneries as much as many of ORBX's long term adherants have, even though apparently yours may be purchased for much different reasons and motives than ours ever were.Who cares? No one. Right? Right!Kind regards,

Very well put Stephen. :(

This is exactly how I feel Glenn... to me this is how the "market" should work.One question... what do you mean by "putting faith" in them?A company makes a product, then I, as a consumer, decide whether or not to "invest" my hard earned dollars into that product. They should have to work for my cash. I cannot afford to give "charity dollars" to them or subsidize their company by making a certain amount of purchases. If they want to be subsidized by me, then I wait for the IPO.Again... this is how I see a business / consumer relationship... and Patrick... I think John's comments reflect that of a business owner.-Rob

Rob,Its totally fine by me in all honesty. Just dont expect me to pony up for any other Orbx releases in the future. I will simply wait for the sale. John has rectified some of my misgivings by taking away the pre-pay discount for 2012.This could have EASILY been avoided by not putting the recent pre-items in the sale (as per usual Orbx sales)It works both ways.....I have learned my lesson. Now Orbx will as well....................

Finally I can get Alice Springs for only $22, and get another 5% discount from the nice folks at the flight sim store.Lovely

Regardless if people are peeved or not ORBX have little competition and their products are unmatched,I doubt that any of you that are are peeved at paying full price/pre-ordered will not do business with them again.....just maybe hold back for the sales instead.BTW 90% complete on NZ, lovely :(

Regardless if people are peeved or not ORBX have little competition and their products are unmatched,I doubt that any of you that are are peeved at paying full price/pre-ordered will not do business with them again.....just maybe hold back for the sales instead

Graham,You are quite right. I love the Orbx product. I will simply wait for the sales. If that has an effect on Orbx cashflow, then so be it.

Not a particularly clever move by Orbx. After all, who is now going to be stupid enough to pre-order anything they produce?The pre-order stalwarts are those who support the developers by providing a constant revenue stream even when products aren't being released. They're also the type that will pay (near enough) full price for the products. You only have to flick through the threads on here and on Orbx forums to see just how many will now be waiting for sales - where of course there is a lower profit margin.

Not a particularly clever move by Orbx. After all, who is now going to be stupid enough to pre-order anything they produce?

Stupid or not they will not have the chance now as that deal is withdrawn as John V mentioned

Not a particularly clever move by Orbx. After all, who is now going to be stupid enough to pre-order anything they produce?

I think John realized he just cooked his pre-pay business, hence the pre-emptive move. Its exactly what I would have done.

Graham,You are quite right. I love the Orbx product. I will simply wait for the sales. If that has an effect on Orbx cashflow, then so be it.

Same here after what happened today. Lousy PR, a slap in the face of their most loyal customers.

Some of you might consider that MAYBE and just maybe, the pre-pay sale of late did not generate the amount of revenue anticipated by ORBX ? if a retail store selling clothes for instance make a year end sale, this NOT to retain customer loyalty but to move inventory ! this way the store can re-stock with higher volume, get more discount because of said increased volume, etc...Now in the case of ORBX, I understand they sell software which does not take physical space and a street front location and therefore have nothing to do with discount volume but, if expenses exceed revenues and/or could jeopardize future developpement, I fully understand the idea of a blow-out sale, even if that risk to alienate some customer; can't please them all no matter what you do...So better to take advantage of the sale to generate revenues...my 2 centsAlain from Montreal