my son flies into LOWI on a regular basis. It is a captain's only landing and visual approach is a requirement. He tells me that Munich is regularly used as the alternative. rnwy 08 is the most difficult approach. almost similar to landing in Lugano (max plane BAE avrojet) where high mountains surround the approach. Also requires a tight turn against the looming mountain range.suggest try it with the PMDG 4100 jetstream. but be warned!Mel

On which FMC page do I enter the 079° course with the LSK 6R DIR INTC field to set up a magenta line ?

As for a quick solution, I'd suggest to select runway 08 on the DEP/ARR page of LOWI. Then go to LEGS page, upselect RW08 and then enter 079 at LSK 6R for the intercept course. This should give you a helpful line on the ND. Not exactly sure this was how it was intended in the first place though.

I learned a few things, including that "neat" shortcut in adding airways (and letting the FMC fill in the intermediate waypoint).

Dito! I wasn't quite aware of this feature but it makes route entry even more elegant. Great stuff!

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by badderjet

my son flies into LOWI on a regular basis. It is a captain's only landing and visual approach is a requirement. He tells me that Munich is regularly used as the alternative. rnwy 08 is the most difficult approach. almost similar to landing in Lugano (max plane BAE avrojet) where high mountains surround the approach. Also requires a tight turn against the looming mountain range.suggest try it with the PMDG 4100 jetstream. but be warned!Mel

You're just the guys I was looking for!Flew the tutorial today also, and everythning went fine - except the Fuhnel wind did blow me towards the field and the downwind leg for 08, so I ended up a bit to the left of the centerline - but I made it.Now what I couldn't read from the charts nor from the tutorial, was this:At which height (radio) og altitude (baro) would your son (or any other rw pilot) LIKE to be when the base turn to rwy 08 is done? I mean when you roll out and hopefully see the rwy infront of you, what would be the desired altitude? Is this in any of the charts? Or does any company SOP out there have anything to say? Ryan perhaps?Anyways a very coooool tutorial - great work!Mas

Just something I don't fully understand (page 118) :"Press DEP ARR and select the LOWI ARRIVALS page.- Select Runway 08, which clears out the LOC/DMEEAST procedure. We’re doing this....- Press LSK 3L to copy RW08 and then press LSK 1L toenter a direct to. Then enter the extended runwaycenterline course, 079 into the LSK 6R DIR INTC field.This sets up a magenta line ....."on the LOWI arrival page 1/2, I've no problem to select the rwy 08, but the LSK 3L shows the ELME1A arrival ?? it does not copy the rwy 08. What do I miss ? or is there someting missing in the tuto between those 2 actions ?On which FMC page do I enter the 079° course with the LSK 6R DIR INTC field to set up a magenta line ?

I believe the intention was for you to return to the LEGS page after selecting runway 08 in the DEP/ARR page and THEN perform the described actions. I scratched my head a bit at this at first too.

Well done...definitely worth the wait Thank you! :Applause:Now.....

What's for Tutorial 3??? :)

Bring it! :(.........but only if you want to!

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by Richiebacardi

I believe the intention was for you to return to the LEGS page after selecting runway 08 in the DEP/ARR page and THEN perform the described actions. I scratched my head a bit at this at first too.

Aaahhhhhaaaa!Wow....thanks very much for this.Now this makes so much sense. I really appreciate your help there.

My only problem is the HGS system which just seems to bother me more than help, so I just stowed it and landed visually. Thanks for your work on this.

I agree Mark, I too find that the HGS just makes the view look more confusing. I prefer a visual approach/landing.And, of course, thanks to Ryan for the hard work put in on this tutorial. I ran out of time to get very far with it today but will do it soon.Iain Smith

"As for a quick solution, I'd suggest to select runway 08 on the DEP/ARR page of LOWI. Then go to LEGS page, upselect RW08 and then enter 079 at LSK 6R for the intercept course. This should give you a helpful line on the ND. Not exactly sure this was how it was intended in the first place though""I believe the intention was for you to return to the LEGS page after selecting runway 08 in the DEP/ARR page and THEN perform the described actions. I scratched my head a bit at this at first too"Thanks very much both of you Etienne & Chris. The return to the LEGS page was missing in the tuto ... This makes so much sense and I will try right away to enter the rwy 08 centerline 079° at LSK 6R if I can find it.PS undersdand now David ? My god !

Sorry guys, yeah that got screwed up and no one caught it. You're supposed to go back to the LEGS page, then do the direct to intercept.

I also wanted to commend Ryan and everyone involved in this tutorial. I learned a few things, including that "neat" shortcut in adding airways (and letting the FMC fill in the intermediate waypoint). One question about the fuel planning. On page 45, it says to enter the reserves (3.6, in the example) to the LSK 4L. It further explains that this is the fuel needed to get from Innsbrouck to the alternate destination (Munich). I always thought that the "reserve" fuel was the absolute minumum you should have in your tanks after landing, and should never go below that amount. If I'm entering the "reserve" as the fuel to get from LOWI to EDDM, where exactly do I enter my minimum fuel number?Many thanks

No, that's not correct - your reserves amount is legally the fuel needed to get to the alternate + hold. The idea here is that if you see your fuel get down toward the reserves amount and you haven't been able to get in at the destination, you need to start thinking about diverting to your alternate. If you see that USING RSV FUEL message come up in the scratchpad, that's it, you go to your alternate immediately because you're now risking not even being able to make that too. There is no minimum that you always land with - it varies by flight. You could have very little left in the tanks after a diversion to an alternate and that'd be normal.

Ryan just like to thank you for doing it up, was a great tutorial and I learnt heaps. I do my own fuel calcs now and the advanced FMC stuff is great to know!When I did it I used ASE2012 and Innsbruck had 2nm visibility with heavy rain. The wind blew me further towards the mountains on downwind so I had to go manual. Also on decent I blew my profile due to wind/turbulence.Yeah I know in real life you'd circle or divert but it was heaps fun. The HGS is very annoying!Cheers.

Edited March 6, 201214 yr by VBHB

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No, that's not correct - your reserves amount is legally the fuel needed to get to the alternate + hold. The idea here is that if you see your fuel get down toward the reserves amount and you haven't been able to get in at the destination, you need to start thinking about diverting to your alternate. If you see that USING RSV FUEL message come up in the scratchpad, that's it, you go to your alternate immediately because you're now risking not even being able to make that too. There is no minimum that you always land with - it varies by flight. You could have very little left in the tanks after a diversion to an alternate and that'd be normal.

Thanks, Ryan....I learn something new every day!!

Edited March 6, 201214 yr by RPRIEVER

Thank you.Some SS from flighthttp://forum.avsim.net/topic/365102-innsbruck-737ngx/

Now what I couldn't read from the charts nor from the tutorial, was this:At which height (radio) og altitude (baro) would your son (or any other rw pilot) LIKE to be when the base turn to rwy 08 is done? I mean when you roll out and hopefully see the rwy infront of you, what would be the desired altitude? Is this in any of the charts? Or does any company SOP out there have anything to say? Ryan perhaps?

You wanna be at 3700 before beginning the base leg, and end up at 2900 Baro on final, but beware of the plateau!

One question about the fuel planning. On page 45, it says to enter the reserves (3.6, in the example) to the LSK 4L. It further explains that this is the fuel needed to get from Innsbrouck to the alternate destination (Munich). I always thought that the "reserve" fuel was the absolute minumum you should have in your tanks after landing, and should never go below that amount. If I'm entering the "reserve" as the fuel to get from LOWI to EDDM, where exactly do I enter my minimum fuel number?

No, that's not correct - your reserves amount is legally the fuel needed to get to the alternate + hold. The idea here is that if you see your fuel get down toward the reserves amount and you haven't been able to get in at the destination, you need to start thinking about diverting to your alternate. If you see that USING RSV FUEL message come up in the scratchpad, that's it, you go to your alternate immediately because you're now risking not even being able to make that too. There is no minimum that you always land with - it varies by flight. You could have very little left in the tanks after a diversion to an alternate and that'd be normal.

Correct. If I may add one thing, what I got taught is that, assuming you're flying without extra fuel (which isn't legally required), your engines could literally flame out 'upon rollout', if you will, when you fly to your destination, divert, hold 30 minutes and then land at the alternate. Obviously only in theory! :( There really is no such thing as a required reserve to land with at your alternate. I might be wrong but this is seriously how I remember it. Airline crews told me the same thing. However using FR fuel is accompanied by a mayday call (under some circumstances?? anyone? can't remember exactly).

You wanna be at 3700 before beginning the base leg, and end up at 2900 Baro on final, but beware of the plateau!

Many thanks - that makes sence to me actually. Flying for Transavia-VA, this is the company MDA for LOWI, so perfect ;) Thx!Mas