I personally like a company to make accurate looking aircraft, which Milviz has been lacking, BIG TIME. I personally haven't flown a real F-15 or 737 so how do we even know they are correct, I can only wonder who has here in this thread. FYI, I can tell you their sounds for the F-15 are wrong with the rest of the 3D model.I do find it a little rude to talk about Milviz's 737 here on Capt Sims page and can only speculate what kind of ###### motive it comes from.

Firstly wise guy, get your facts straight - this is the FSX forum you're in buddy, not "Captain Sim's page" .......comparisons to other products are common sense and the reason we are lucky to have AVSIM ......... if you think I should be banned from mentioning the MilViz, you are clearly the ###### my friend. ....... or indeed, just a MilViz-basher, as you've proven. I only own the MilViz 310 and the model is just fine; and the audio divine.....I don't bother with trolls so don't bother baiting me more fella :(

I know you guys are.I personally like a company to make accurate looking aircraft, which Milviz has been lacking, BIG TIME. I personally haven't flown a real F-15 or 737 so how do we even know they are correct, I can only wonder who has here in this thread. FYI, I can tell you their sounds for the F-15 are wrong with the rest of the 3D model.I do find it a little rude to talk about Milviz's 737 here on Capt Sims page and can only speculate what kind of ###### motive it comes from.

Every single post that you have made on this site has some kind of statement in it that disses us. Every single one. ALL OF THEM. I think that defines YOU very nicely. (except the one you made just now..damn... a perfect record smashed.. )And btw, Bob from the tinmouse project is one of our beta testers.... If that helps any.

/ / / .....yeah, I've seen that this guy has a major attitude regarding you, on various threads. (with his 11 posts).Just immature and silly IMHO.Don't let childish people distract from the great work you're doing (oops, does that statement make me a '######' :()

HI Captain Sim,First let me apologize for my comment "just a VC" in my previous thread. It was not intended to be a put down. It's funny how just one word, 'just', can mean so much. I was not aware the 3D flghtdeck included the systems behind the VC. And you are correct that is probably the most advanced and time consuming part of the project I bet. No disrespect. Going back to your site it states "delivers limited functionality of some systems". So as to which ones and how completed it does not say other than go through your forums to find out. Sorry, I do not have the time to do that type of research - I would think you would/should state that after each system you have in your system's description whether it is complete or still a WIP.It is very nice to have you drop in and clarify many of the concerns and issues we have here. For example clarifying sound will be a free update. And I like the fact that you clearly state it is a work in progress. So if I decide to get the upgrade I can expect no more or no less. I would like to know however as well as posted above like Stick is asking... does the autopilot function... some other main systems? Thx

Really? I just enjoy Captain Sim's software, I seen the Milviz thing long before my statement. Not trolling here, I don't even own a boat.

Yet you used the word ###### on someone else? In psychology that's called "projection". :( :(

it's also called anger management issues...

Anyway, moving on ...............So, is anyone able to confirm whether the A/P works on the current Stage II model, and also any other systems, such as overhead panel etc....?To find out, do I have to go and buy this one too, like I did the JF 737 lol! :(

Anyway, moving on ...............So, is anyone able to confirm whether the A/P works on the current Stage II model, and also any other systems, such as overhead panel etc....?To find out, do I have to go and buy this one too, like I did the JF 737 lol! :(

Confirmed not working

Confirmed not working

Thanks Zach.I'd guess it should be fairly easy to get the default FSX autopilot working with the model (by activating it in the aircraft.cfg), until the proper system is implemented. Unless of course it's somehow hard coded OFF within the model.

Thank you for very good question, I'm not answering it here as we already have a multi-pages discussion on this topic in our forum: http://www.captainsi...=1331396459/0#4

To cut to the chase, if you guys deliver a complete product with a flight model and systems that live up to your already enviable reputation for 3D modelling and textures then I will almost certainly buy your 737.

Unlike some companies, it is worth noting that Captain Sim have tended to deliver on their promises with regard to stuff being made in this way, and whilst we know it is not everyone's cup of tea, I fully expect them to deliver on their promise, based on that track record of having done so before. Nevertheless, it is only expedient of them to put some kind of disclaimer in there, just in case things do go awry, but I would not see it as anything than a belt and braces approach to being completely up front about matters, and not an indication of any really serious risk of a failure to complete what they have set out to do.

Indeed, I've not doubt CS intend to deliver on their promises. After buying addons for all these years now I'm just a little bit too jaded to buy something incomplete on a promise that it will be completed/upgraded/whatever at some point in the future. I do appreciate nobody is twisting my arm to buy this but nonetheless I just wish they'd release completed products. The "block" or "step" approach just creates unrealistic expectations and feelings of entitlement that end up boiling over on forums such as this.Heaven forbid a month or two from now the 737 still doesn't have a flight model or soundset and CS announce another project. There'll be virtual lynch mobs out for blood.

It reminds me when Milviz released their F-15 just to get sales and it was a debacle.

Most interesting then that you now applaud CS for releasing an incomplete 737 in order to generate sales.In Mil Viz's defence, they openly admitted the F-15E was released before it should have been, and the took the time to incorporate a major upgrade into the SP that included many new features and was made available free of charge to existing customers.

I have to say CS is honest, and up front, I think you are also taking out of context their legal information which is basically found on every product you buy these days to protect one self. It reminds me when Milviz released their F-15 just to get sales and it was a debacle. Unfinished and even after the SP still unfinished which took 3 months and empty promises. But enough about that.

Really? I just want to talk about how awesome the new VC that CS made. So instead you post personal attacks on me? When all I said was truthful observations of your product after someone else stated it in this forum.

I personally like a company to make accurate looking aircraft, which Milviz has been lacking, BIG TIME. I personally haven't flown a real F-15 or 737 so how do we even know they are correct, I can only wonder who has here in this thread. FYI, I can tell you their sounds for the F-15 are wrong with the rest of the 3D model.I do find it a little rude to talk about Milviz's 737 here on Capt Sims page and can only speculate what kind of ###### motive it comes from.

352ndChampYour method of communicating your obvious distaste for all things Milviz is unduly harsh and out of order. In fact it crosses the line into personal attack territory. Please refrain from this line of statements. This is a formal warning.Kind regards,

Personally, I do not want to stir up a hornet's nest, so, will keep out.Just one question though, as you guys here in this particular thread have far more experience than I have or profess to have,----- and bearing in mind that I do own JF products like the Comet 4,their DC-3,their Constellation,as well as CS' 707,and 757,and the C-130,-----as there are three different 737s asides from the already-owned 737NGX, which one would be the better investment to make? The JF,the CS or MilViz's? A consensus of different viewpoints would be a healthy pointer.

The JF one is a 'right now' solution, which brings to mind the old saying of 'Thrice blessed who gets his blow in first'. That doesn't necessarily mean it will turn out to be the best when everyone has passed the finish post, but I have it, I like it, and think it is a good effort, even if it is not the graphical tour-de-force that the other two seem to be.As I am sure you are well aware if you have ever taken the FSX 737 NG into Seattle, compromises in the graphics and polygon departments are not always a bad thing where FSX airliners are concerned, witness the fact that even PMDG acknowledged this and offered toned-down resolutions of their textures on the NG with a view to the fact that most airliner simmers tend to be running a lot of add-ons in addition to the aircraft itself; i.e. a big graphical overhead when you are also running REX, Active Sky, Radar Contact, FS2Crew, an add-on airport or two, add-on terrain, add-on AI, moving maps, etc, can mean that a few less polygons is no bad thing in the grand scheme of things, and this is in fact one of the reasons why I rate the JF effort, since graphically, it seems to be the one which best acknowledges this FSX fact. I like fancy graphics as much as the next guy, but I like good frame rates too when all my other add-ons are also running. This does not mean I know the FPS the other efforts will get when finished, but I do know what the JF one gets, and it is a plus point.The MILVIZ one looks like it is coming up on the rails fast judging by the screenshots, although pretty preview pictures do not an airliner make, so it is an unknown quantity, but having said that, it does indeed look very nice, and it is looking like it will be a comprehensive package, with the gravel strip conversion options etc included in there. I'm sure you know that MILVIZ have a great reputation too, so the chances are that it will really be something quite special and probably the one best suited to military variant repaints as well, although a CS military variant is a distinct possibility judging by their other Boeing add-ons, which have had this sort of thing produced in the past.The CS one has a pretty model and a pretty cockpit now too, but it is not finished yet systems-wise, so you know as much as we do on that score, even if you haven't bought it.I think that's about all we can honestly say; anything other than that would be speculative.Al

Great post, Alan. You had some (Avsim) writing pause, am I right? Glad to see you back. :(

Hi Al. Once more, thanks for being the wise sage of objectivity.Little wonder you write-up such good reviews. Could not be more lucid.

Great post, Alan. You had some (Avsim) writing pause, am I right? Glad to see you back. :(

Ditto, and I welcomed you back a few posts.