That is a rather rude response....

Missed that. I reckon community image doesn't mean much to this guy

Missed that. I reckon community image doesn't mean much to this guy

It's cool, this thread is already a massive mess of confusion.

I don't know I did pretty good in math in school! Step by Step1. The original 737-100 was 9.992. The 737-200 External model was also 9.99 but required purchase of the above 737-100 = 19.983. Base Pack 29.99 (19.99 with discount if 737-100 purchased)Scenario 1: Purchaser buys Base Pack only and Pays 29.99 for the 737-200 onlyScenario 2: Purchaser bought 737-100 (9.99) and Base pack discounted 19.99 total 29.98 and ends up with the 737-100 and 200.Scenario 3. Purchaser bought 737-200 (9.99) , the 737-100 required purchase (9.99) and Base Pack discounted 19.99 total 39.97 and also ends up with the the same 737-100 and 200.So you tell me how the person in Scenario 3 isn't penalized an extra 9.99 for buying an external model that is no longer needed?A fairer way to do this would have been to to put the discount on the 737-200 to offset the cost of the base, then everyone would end up paying the same. (29.98 for the 200 (9.99 for the 200 external + 19.99 discounted Base Pack) ) + 9.99 for the 100 which is in it's self a separate product.

The person in Scenario 3 isn't penalized because he bought two models (100+200) and he has the two models. And today there's no way to get the two models for less than 39.97.Your Scenario 2 isn't correct because this person bought just one model and today he sill got just one model (whatever the base pack provides, today it's the -200). So he just got one model exchanged for another. In order to get a second model he'll got to buy it.

But the guy who only bought the 100 and Base pack do have both models, and effectively is the only ones getting the discount. 19.99 +9.99 original purchase. I don't see how you don't get that?

I don't think this could possibly be more convoluted, however I think I now understand (after very carefully reading) some of what Captain Sim was attempting to say.....Ok, If I understand this correctly, those that bought only the exterior 100 and the go buy the 200 base, when they install the 200 base it will disable (or replace) the exterior 100, so they end up with only the 200. If they want the 100, they will have to buy it again. That would give them a total cost of 39.98So, those that bought the 100 and 200, I guess the 200 base installer will only replace the 200? Or will they also have to re-buy the 100? This is where it starts to not make sense again.....Besides that, what if someone who only bought the 100 was to copy/move the files before installing the 200 base and then move them back after? with a bit of .cfg file editing it should still work.....Edit:And what of the people who only bought the exterior 100 because they had too in order to use the 200? They now have both, but only really wanted the 200.....

I had some problems with the purchase, but Captain Sim support was very helpful and straightened out the problem right away.I haven't had time to try Captain Sim's 737-200 Captain yet, but I believe it's going to be a great simulation.Captain Sim's Boeing 727 and 707 are simply outstanding. I'm sure that this 737 will be every bit as good.I am in "737 Heaven" with the unbelievable PMDG 737NGX, Feelthere/Wilco's 737 Classic, JustFlight/Black Box Simulation 737-200 and now the Captain Sim 737-200. All of these are very enjoyable simulations in their own right. We went from no 737s to an abundance of them in just a few years.I'm just thrilled :(

I am in "737 Heaven" with the unbelievable PMDG 737NGX, Feelthere/Wilco's 737 Classic, JustFlight/Black Box Simulation 737-200 and now the Captain Sim 737-200.All of these are very enjoyable simulations in their own right. We went from no 737s to an abundance of them in just a few years.I'm just thrilled :(

I agree with you. People sometimes get a bit partisan about FS aeroplanes, but I subscribe to the view that they are different takes on doing the same thing, in the same way that one can enjoy a pencil sketch and an oil painting of the same subject. So unless an FS aeroplane is demonstrably awful in some way, I welcome them and like having a few of the same aircraft from different developers. And where 737s and DC-3s are concerned, FS developers can keep 'em coming as far as I'm concerned!Al

"FSXman, on 13 March 2012 - 11:46 PM, said: I am in "737 Heaven" with the unbelievable PMDG 737NGX, Feelthere/Wilco's 737 Classic, JustFlight/Black Box Simulation 737-200 and now the Captain Sim 737-200.All of these are very enjoyable simulations in their own right. We went from no 737s to an abundance of them in just a few years.I'm just thrilled"

I agree with you. People sometimes get a bit partisan about FS aeroplanes, but I subscribe to the view that they are different takes on doing the same thing, in the same way that one can enjoy a pencil sketch and an oil painting of the same subject. So unless an FS aeroplane is demonstrably awful in some way, I welcome them and like having a few of the same aircraft from different developers. And where 737s and DC-3s are concerned, FS developers can keep 'em coming as far as I'm concerned!Al

Well said!

I don't think this could possibly be more convoluted, however I think I now understand (after very carefully reading) some of what Captain Sim was attempting to say.....Ok, If I understand this correctly, those that bought only the exterior 100 and the go buy the 200 base, when they install the 200 base it will disable (or replace) the exterior 100, so they end up with only the 200. If they want the 100, they will have to buy it again. That would give them a total cost of 39.98So, those that bought the 100 and 200, I guess the 200 base installer will only replace the 200? Or will they also have to re-buy the 100? This is where it starts to not make sense again.....Besides that, what if someone who only bought the 100 was to copy/move the files before installing the 200 base and then move them back after? with a bit of .cfg file editing it should still work.....Edit:And what of the people who only bought the exterior 100 because they had too in order to use the 200? They now have both, but only really wanted the 200.....

If that's true, that actually worse! If you bought the 100 (9.99) and 200 (9.99) + basepack and discount 19.99 = 39.97, then the installation disables the 100?, now you you've paid 9.99 more and lose the 100 that you already bought. If you want it again you have to re purchase it for another 9.99 for a total of 49.96. That can't be right?Most of this whole mess could have been avoided if the discount was on the 200 not the 100.Those that only bought the 100 only pays 9.99 and 29.99 for a total of 39.98. ends up with 100 and 200 model.Those that bought the 100 & 200 pays 19.98 for both and 19.99 (discounted for the 200) for a total of 39.97. also ends up with 100 and 200 modelsNew purchasers of the Base pack pays 29.99 ends up with the 200 model only.New purchasers of the Base Pack pays 29.99 and 100 expansion pays 9.99 for a total of 39.98. ends up with 100 and 200.In all cases those that ended up with both models ultimately pays 39.98 (Give or take a penny.) and the new purchasers that only want the 200 pays 29.99.You still have the issue of the original buyers that only bought the 100 because they had to to get the 200. I really don't see away around that other than to have another purchase option that would add another 9.99 discount, but on installation disables the 100 which would give you a total of 29.99, the same as if you just bought the base pack alone.

That is a rather rude response....

And that is the reason why I won't ever buy another product from Captain Sim.I really want a 737-200. But it ain't gonna be yours Captain Sim.

And that is the reason why I won't ever buy another product from Captain Sim.I really want a 737-200. But it ain't gonna be yours Captain Sim.

Don't let unfounded emotional stuff get in the way here.Nobody has more reason than I for disliking CS in the past. I, like several others I know here, were treated appaulingly by them a few years ago. As a result, i swore 'never to darken their doorstep again'.HOWEVER, as a direct response to falling sales and customer feedback, mostly right here on Avsim, CS completely turned around their game.I would say their customer support is now very good and still on the rise. By 'never to darkening their doorstep again', I was the only person loosing out, by missing some great releases.Also, being the kind of people we are ( fill in the blanks;-) ) it's very easy to asume we should all speak English, and speak it perfectly at that. Captain Sim and it's folk are NOT English. What's more, English is not only not their first language, it's often not even their second!Lighten up people, please.Look at the prices of some other recent releases too!!!

His English is fine. His manners are not.

I agree with you. People sometimes get a bit partisan about FS aeroplanes, but I subscribe to the view that they are different takes on doing the same thing, in the same way that one can enjoy a pencil sketch and an oil painting of the same subject. So unless an FS aeroplane is demonstrably awful in some way, I welcome them and like having a few of the same aircraft from different developers. And where 737s and DC-3s are concerned, FS developers can keep 'em coming as far as I'm concerned!Al

Al, that is exactly where my heart is. I can enjoy the NGX because it is beyond words, yet I can still have a lot of fun with iFly 737NG or Wilco/Feelthere 737 Evo.

At the moment I'm holding out for the Mil Viz 737 on the strength of the C310, T-38 and F-15E... all of which were very well done and showed a great attention to detail throughout all aspects of the product.

The same is true for the Captain Sim Boeing 707-300, so no difference there.

Captain Sim's Boeing 727 and 707 are simply outstanding. I'm sure that this 737 will be every bit as good.

Come on now. People give the Just Flight release a hard time but the Captain Sim 727 to this day years after release that it has no real system modeling, default flight dynamics, and various bugs that they still have not addressed. To call them outstanding and a bar to be set for the 737 is ridiculous. The 757 and 767 are also embarrassments that have yet to be properly patched.

His English is fine. His manners are not.

That's an interesting comment. Have you met him?

Come on now. People give the Just Flight release a hard time but the Captain Sim 727 to this day years after release that it has no real system modeling, default flight dynamics, and various bugs that they still have not addressed. To call them outstanding and a bar to be set for the 737 is ridiculous. The 757 and 767 are also embarrassments that have yet to be properly patched.

Your loss! I'm perfectly happy with those planes. The 707, and 727 are probably the best classic models available. Yes the 757/767 took a few patches, but CS did come through, and they are on par with most current airliner addons, except PMDG and Level-D (for systems), but then no other airliner developer is either!!