I agree with the last post. I think this is one of Carenado's best so far. Every plane regardless of who made it has had some glitch when first released...the Flight1 Mustang did, even the Real Air Duke, in fact I gave up on one of the Turbine Duke paint schemes because mid flight the engine cowls would turn black. Now that's a hefty glitch...I just moved to another paint scheme. Nothing's gonna be perfect folks, not even the real planes are. I like Carenado because they make good looking, good flying GA aircraft that I like and want. I always have trouble downloading them (they probably expect my frustrated e-mail every time they offer a new plane), but I still get'em, and will probably continue. Despite the fact that I have every plane now I could possible want, I'm sure they'll come up with one I'll just have to have. I do hope the folks considering the King Air take the grumbling with a grain of salt. We all have different expectations I suppose, but some of the complaints are pretty nit picky. The rest, I feel sure Carenado will correct in the SP.

After reading the above statements my conclusions is:

Carenado´s buisiness plan works perfect, most customers are happy with what they get, they don´t care about what other Companies offer:

Wow, I've NEVER ever seen so much hate and anger and unrealistic expectations (e.g. AC or DC powered gauges...r u serious???) towards a developer!!!

I've also never seen a company which produces so incredible realistic looking planes like Carenado (for a price you can't even take your girlfriend out for dinner a single time)

I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up.

"...I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up."

 

That's a shame! In my opinion, the Malibu and especially the C90 have an excellent flight model. A hand flown approach in the King Air is pure fun, combined with the outstanding graphics, these Carenado addons are worth every cent...

For me, the look and feel of the recent Carenado releases is top notch!

Greets,

Michael

Wow, I've NEVER ever seen so much hate and anger and unrealistic expectations (e.g. AC or DC powered gauges...r u serious???) towards a developer!!!

I've also never seen a company which produces so incredible realistic looking planes like Carenado (for a price you can't even take your girlfriend out for dinner a single time)

I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up.

 

Hi Bernt,

 

Whilst I appreciate your frustration, I dont think anybody is criticizing your FDE work nor the overall package that it is provided by Carenado, but it seems there are numerous issues (often which have been problems in previous Carenado releases) that still make it out to the release version. I understand that no release is 'bug free' but many of the ones that have been highligted should never have made it through any kind of real beta testing.

 

There are also those people who are being entirely unrealistic in their expectations (as you highlighted in your post). This was never going to be a PMDG study sim. I think 99% of people in this forum understood that, but if you are going to start playing in the $40 bracket, the quality of the game needs to be stepped up accordingly.

 

There is a massive potential for this aircraft. If Carenado get service packs out that address many of the (realistic) issues that have been found, then this will prove to be a very popular addon.

 

Personally, I am waiting for the SP's before comitting. From what I have read, she flies nice but needs some help in terms of these bugs. Hopefully Carenado will spend some significant time and effort in addressing the list that has/is been generated in this very forum......and then most people will be happy!

Hi,

I read someplace else that "in some cases and scenarios" releasing an add-on with some deliverate bugs is a way of fighting piracy because when the patch is out usually is available only to registered customers, like the development of the real Tu-144, it is believed that the russian spied on blueprints of the Concorde with deliverate design flaws. Just a thought.

Wow, I've NEVER ever seen so much hate and anger and unrealistic expectations (e.g. AC or DC powered gauges...r u serious???) towards a developer!!!

I've also never seen a company which produces so incredible realistic looking planes like Carenado (for a price you can't even take your girlfriend out for dinner a single time)

I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up.

 

Bernt, I'll just say that your contribution to Carenado's aircraft has increased my enjoyment of them significantly and it saddens me to hear you will not be continuing.

 

Unfortunately there are people who have totally unrealistic expectations and very little sense of perspective when it comes to this hobby. They expect the moon on a stick for their $40 and cry foul when they don't get it. These people have very little understanding or appreciation of what it takes to bring a product to the market. A pretty good example of this is the poster above who in 2 1/2 years at Avsim has racked up a grand total of 10 posts and has taken the time to post a rather damning comparison of the Carenado King Air to the likes of PMDG, Real Air, Orbx and Lotus Sim. I would perhaps ask him to go and count how many products each of these developers has brought to the market in the last 6 years versus Carenado and then maybe update his table with that information too.

 

I also see a few comments about Carenado hitting the $40 bracket and that this somehow changes things. Honestly, if you have a wife or girlfriend (or maybe both!) take them out for a restaurant meal. It will cost a lot more than $40. How about a trip to the cinema? If I take my nephew and niece to the cinema it will cost me a lot more than $40. How much does it cost to fill the tank in your car? A lot more than $40 I'll bet.

 

Perspective, it would appear, is something that some people in this thread have totally lost sight of. If a pretend aeroplane in a computer game gets you so riled up then I would suggest you switch off your computer and go do something else for a while.

 

Carenado have been around for a long time now and they are a known quantity. I think it's fair to say most experienced flight simmers know exactly what they are getting (and not getting for that matter!) when they buy Carenado. I therefore find it just a little bit disingenuous when someone says they own 99% of Carenado's products, how they always have bugs and problems, lack features etc - but then jumps straight in to buy the latest one and then embarks on a diatribe about how bad it is.

 

If the OP has such a low opinion of Carenado products at launch, why on Earth did he buy it before the inevitable service pack?

 

Threads such as this drag the tone and mood of the forums down. Not only on Avsim but on other sites as well. I'm all for constructive and valid criticism, but in all honestly some people are starting to sound like broken records.

 

As one of my primary school teachers used to say - "Empty vessels make the most noise."

Wow, I've NEVER ever seen so much hate and anger and unrealistic expectations (e.g. AC or DC powered gauges...r u serious???) towards a developer!!!

I've also never seen a company which produces so incredible realistic looking planes like Carenado (for a price you can't even take your girlfriend out for dinner a single time)

I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up.

 

I do appreciate your hard work... I realize its not an easy thing to accomplish. I cannot speak for everyone but there are little things that really bother me when it comes to add-on a/c.... for the most part the flight model is not bad. I do feel that Carenado prioritized the appearence of the C90 over anything else, which is a good thing, but when I look out of the windows of the plane and I see rivets and panel lines that are blurry on the engine nacelles and rivets that look black on the wings I get a little nuts....

 

I know the a/c looks great from the outside, but my FSX system is not an arcade to me... I spend alot of $$ on enhancements and I fly from the captains seat !!!!!!!

 

It just looks ridiculous....

 

I can go on about the other issues also....

Sorry but I cannot understand those arguments in defense of a buggy product. Sure people waited long and are desperate for a King Air but the truck load of serious issues is nothing one should have to live with. And the argument that you can't take your girlfriend out for a cup-o-tea/dinner/spa-weekend is always the same just with a different activity depending on the price of the buggy product in need of defense.

 

Nobody criticized the FDE or the visual quality so why do people always cry foul pointing at thosr parts of the addon? Those parts are good and were never questioned. It's the same old pile of bugs that is always there in new Carenado addons and the lack of will to do things right from the start. Why does every Carenado plane require several patches to fix the same things over and over again?

 

You can't expect working pressurization for 40$? You can't expect proper lighting for 40$?? You can't expect working sound for 40$??? Are you f***ing kidding me? Maybe I can't take my wife out for dinner for 40 bucks but I'd rather take her out for a cup of coffee before letting it go down the drain of a developer who is either not willing or able to take their developing seriously.

 

30$ gets you a Katana 4x, 45$ gets you a PMDG J41, 47$ gets you a RealAir Turbine Duke and 50$ gets you an Accusimmed A2A. Carenado has gone into a league they are unable/unwilling to compete in and I'm sick of reading 'but the model looks so good' or 'you can't expect' any better at that price'. You can! And I do! This is far beyond the eyecandy-only-addon the C90 is.

 

And the marketing bla-bla with 'Tested by real pilots' has to be the biggest joke of em all. How on earth does a real pilot not notice serious issues like missing starter sounds?

 

Like a famous captain once said ...

 

The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther!

 

The Jetprop has been my last Carenado. I'll not support this nonsense any further. Close your eyes and have fun with the C90 if you can. I'll go and fly my Turbine Duke.

Bought it today; I like it alot. I prefer the Jetprop, but the C90 is fine for my needs. Great plane that at least looks real and not cheesy bad textures, so I am happy. Some people take flight sim all too seriously...the patch will come I am sure. I am really looking forward to their SR22. Nice they do regular good quality releases.

 

"...I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up."

 

That's a shame! In my opinion, the Malibu and especially the C90 have an excellent flight model. A hand flown approach in the King Air is pure fun, combined with the outstanding graphics, these Carenado addons are worth every cent...

For me, the look and feel of the recent Carenado releases is top notch!

Greets,

Michael

 

I agree; they are fun and very real looking for the ultimate GA experience!!

I also see a few comments about Carenado hitting the $40 bracket and that this somehow changes things. Honestly, if you have a wife or girlfriend (or maybe both!) take them out for a restaurant meal. It will cost a lot more than $40. How about a trip to the cinema? If I take my nephew and niece to the cinema it will cost me a lot more than $40. How much does it cost to fill the tank in your car? A lot more than $40 I'll bet.

 

If I pay 40 bucks for a meal and my steak is burned I might have a complaint to lodge. If I spend 40 bucks at the cinema and the movie turns out to be crap, I might have a complaint about it. If I don't put 40 bucks worth of gas in my car I can't get to work and if I can't get to work I won't be able to afford the gas or Carenado's models. So what's your point?

 

A pretty good example of this is the poster above who in 2 1/2 years at Avsim has racked up a grand total of 10 posts and has taken the time to post a rather damning comparison of the Carenado King Air to the likes of PMDG, Real Air, Orbx and Lotus Sim.

 

So just how many posts do you have to have before you can point out the bugs in a model? 20? 30? 500? Please list the requirement so we can all comply.

 

I own most of Carenado's models. I'm currently enjoying the King Air. There is no one bug so huge as to cause me to write this model off. But the list of small bugs is pretty large and growing. It's simple, this model wasn't thoroughly beta tested. That's just as much my fault as Carenado's, next time I'll wait for reviews and patches. Just don't shoot the messenger.

I just wrote a lengthy reply to some of the above but have just deleted it. If some of you guys can't understand what I'm trying to say then no amount of reasoning will.

 

All I'll say is some people need to get a grip and take a reality check because threads like this and the sentiment they foment will take forums like this, and eventually this hobby into a downward spiral.

All I'll say is some people need to get a grip and take a reality check because threads like this and the sentiment they foment will take forums like this, and eventually this hobby into a downward spiral.

 

I think most people have it in perspective. I'd be willing to bet that even with the complaints being lodged, most people are still flying and enjoying the King Air. Sure, this thread sounds bad, there's just a little initial disappointment over the numerous bugs. But we're all Carenado fans or we wouldn't be here. Only a week since release and already the first patch is out. Pretty soon this forum will be nothing but talk of repaints and how fun it is to fly.

 

One of the things that keeps me coming back to Carenado is Bernt's fantastic FDE modeling and the magic he's performed with turboprop modeling especially considering how unfriendly FSX is towards turboprops in general. This is one area where the King Air shines. I'm sorry he's leaving but wasn't that decisionl made before the KA was released?

Wow, I've NEVER ever seen so much hate and anger and unrealistic expectations (e.g. AC or DC powered gauges...r u serious???) towards a developer!!!

I've also never seen a company which produces so incredible realistic looking planes like Carenado (for a price you can't even take your girlfriend out for dinner a single time)

I'm almost glad that I'm done with any future FDE development as browsing through the C90 forum makes me almost throw up.

 

I didn't notice any complaints about the FDE, though. Any I certainly haven't seen anything that would count as "hatred".

 

What really annoyed me about Carenado was that if you hadn't been so decent as to provide the fix for the Baron's Stuka-stall yourself, Bernt, we'd still be waiting for one (unless I missed something in the meantime). That's just not good enough, and if thinking so counts as hatred, then I plead guilty as charged. People pay good money for FSX add-ons, often having to pick carefully from their wish list because they're on a limited simming budget. They're entitled to have a moan if the product isn't up to snuff, the same as they are with anything else they buy. If developers don't intend to match their claims, then they shouldn't be so extravagant with them in the first place. If a developer tells me something has been tested by a real-world pilot, when it's released in a state that would make you wonder if anyone had actually tested it at all, then that tells me the delevoper thinks I'm a half-wit who can't tell the difference, and he has only himself to blame for giving that impression. Also, when people read "tested", they assume it means "tested, with resulting bugs fixed" (pretty pointless otherwise). Developers shouldn't bang on about the depth of their testing if it isn't going to affect the quality of the released product.

 

I certainly don't want Carenado to fail or to go under. I would rather give them my money. But I'm not going to support a business model in which the vendor is laughing up his sleeve at me, the customer. I have plenty of good things to say about Carenado too, for example, their VCs are probably the best, their frame rates are excellent (are you listening, Just Flight?), and they are prolific producers of GA aircraft - the kind I prefer to fly. The Carenado site is always worth a visit, because there's always something new on the way. I'm getting tired of visiting RealAir's site, and seeing that the Turbine Duke is coming soon...um...guys..I bought it about a year ago...and it's magnificent, but give me a reason to keep coming back!

 

So criticism of the state of new releases doesn't take away those positives, but neither do those positives magically elevate something to a higher standard, if its not warranted on its own merits. What does elevate something to a higher standard, is a service pack(!), which I see Carenado has just released and for which they are to be applauded. I would have a higher opinion of their operation, though, if they had held off for those, what, two weeks(?), and released a better finished product.

 

H

They have announced an SP coming out soon.

 

Where did you hear that?