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The best HD series Carenado ?

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I wan't a HD series Carenado plane because it would give me extra great visuals. Does the HD textures apply to both external and VC and 2D?

At the same time I find it very important to have realistic flight behaviour and system moddeling. If so are there any winner among the HD series Carenados? If so in what way are the winner better than the other?

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I'm very impressed so far with the C90. But you should also look at RealAir models; they have some very nice stuff and a huge following. Milviz has put up some reall good models as well.

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Truly, I can't tell much of a difference between the HD and non-HD airplanes in terms of graphics myself. I have flown two:

  • The 337 has kind of an ugly cockpit (if the real airplane has an ugly cockpit...whadaya do?...LOL) but has a beautiful flight model. If you like flying Cessnas you'll probably have a lot of fun.
  • I do not recommend the C210.

rcboffa is right about the RealAir airplanes. They're just as much 'HD' and amazing flight models. I have the Dukes and the Lancair. RealAir also has good documentation for their aircraft, explaining how to fly it and what to look out for. Carenado's documentation is very scant...I always feel like I'm learning to fly their, sometimes, excellent aircraft by trial and error.

 

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Just wondering why you wouldn't recommend the C210? Ive been eyeing it for awhile, the 210 is one of my favorite ga planes.

 

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I can't give you a 'best' since I haven't flown them all but I have the Cessna 310 which I really love. The cockpit is great and it flies quite nicely. It's definitely one of my most-flown planes when I'm in the mood for a light twin.

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Just wondering why you wouldn't recommend the C210? Ive been eyeing it for awhile, the 210 is one of my favorite ga planes.

 

Sigh. *Seems* like most of the people that have bought it have hangared it. I don't have any 210 time so I can't say if the model is right. The model presented is much more difficult to flare than your typical Cessna. I bought it for IFR training but I was not comfortable breaking out of a 200 foot ceiling and trying to get it properly on the ground. See this thread.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/378419-c210-does-a-real-210-land-like-this/

 

Carenado let me trade it for the 337 which is rock solid.

 

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Carenado let me trade it for the 337 which is rock solid.

 

Gregg

 

Indeed. People don't mention it much but Carenado has great customer service and have always answered my emails and helped me out with all my issues quickly and nicely. I enjoy supporting them.

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Truly, I can't tell much of a difference between the HD and non-HD airplanes in terms of graphics myself. I have flown two:

  • The 337 has kind of an ugly cockpit (if the real airplane has an ugly cockpit...whadaya do?...LOL) but has a beautiful flight model. If you like flying Cessnas you'll probably have a lot of fun.
  • I do not recommend the C210.

rcboffa is right about the RealAir airplanes. They're just as much 'HD' and amazing flight models. I have the Dukes and the Lancair. RealAir also has good documentation for their aircraft, explaining how to fly it and what to look out for. Carenado's documentation is very scant...I always feel like I'm learning to fly their, sometimes, excellent aircraft by trial and error.

 

Gregg

 

No difference between HD and non HD that sounds strange.

I didn't get the impression that the C337 has an ugly cockpit when looking at screenshot. But I think that it's extarnally looking a bit weird. Do you suggest this to be the best Carenado choice?

The 210 got an goldstar award and I was contemplating it. But I discovered a thread that stated it to behave unrealistic at landing. Maybe that is what you had in mind when saying that you don't recommend it.

Otherwise I get the impression that you suggest Realair as a better choice for the kind of plane I was searching for?

I do have their SF260. One thing about that I didn't like was the way you turned knobs. Holding mousebutton and moving it up or sideways. I wan't to able to use the mousewheel. Has that changed in the Lancair and the Duke.

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No difference between HD and non HD that sounds strange.

 

I think the gauges on the 337 are smooth...if that's what HD means it's worth it.

 

I didn't get the impression that the C337 has an ugly cockpit when looking at screenshot. But I think that it's extarnally looking a bit weird. Do you suggest this to be the best Carenado choice?

 

LOL...but it's got a great personality! Just my opinion (not to be taken too seriously.) It's a great Cessna if that's what you want. It feels like a beefier C182 and very real. A couple of different procedures. I don't have any other HD aircraft so I can't really say much about them. I know that there are folks flying the crap out of the PA46 and C90. Wouldn't take much more than a gust of wind to have me get one of those if I wasn't busy with what I have. They also have a King Air 200, a TBM850 and a T182T in the works. Any aircraft done by Brent Stolle (I think he did all the HD ones except the 210) is going to have a rock solid FDE.

 

The 210 got an goldstar award and I was contemplating it. But I discovered a thread that stated it to behave unrealistic at landing. Maybe that is what you had in mind when saying that you don't recommend it.

 

Funny thing is they didn't say much about the landing in the Avsim review. I'm OCD about takeoffs and landings. I had one thread on the landing but there were some other threads as well. Other than the landing it seemed pretty good (though there's some weirdness on the last notch of flaps too.)

 

Otherwise I get the impression that you suggest Realair as a better choice for the kind of plane I was searching for?

 

I think they both make excellent aircraft. The big difference is the documentation. Carenado provides almost nothing. If you can find training materials for the aircraft you want there then you should be golden. I do a lot of looking around on RW forums to find material. I've found a good bit on the PA46 and I think there's stuff on the C90. Maybe, I'd just put the aircraft down on paper in the order preferred and then go down the list to see which ones you can find enough materials on and then go for it. The RealAir guys are always around to answer questions.

 

I do have their SF260. One thing about that I didn't like was the way you turned knobs. Holding mousebutton and moving it up or sideways. I wan't to able to use the mousewheel. Has that changed in the Lancair and the Duke.

 

They have an option to switch it to left and right click in their config app. I do that. I'm pretty sure the mousewheel works as well. (I wish I could say for sure but I'm not at my sim.)


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Carenado let me trade it for the 337 which is rock solid.

 

Gregg

 

Oooh! I'd be interested in that... then again I bought the 210 a long time ago... I wonder if they'd still honor that. I like the 210 but the landings are interesting. I too have no stick time in a 210 so I don't know what the usual landings are like.


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Oooh! I'd be interested in that... then again I bought the 210 a long time ago... I wonder if they'd still honor that. I like the 210 but the landings are interesting. I too have no stick time in a 210 so I don't know what the usual landings are like.

 

Truly, sometimes I wish I still had it so I could tinker with the landing some more. Ah well...a deal's a deal.


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I could only list the latest and greatest from Carenado in my eyes. I don't mind about being 'HD' or not, they all look great, which includes the gauges. No 2D cockpits on those planes though.

 

C337, for the looks, the feel, the sound, the unique plane itself. A winner from Carenado and plenty of fun.

 

JetProp, needs heavy user tweaking (sorry), but it's very nice on the optics, great sounds, good gauges (mind the tweaking) and an overall very unique combination for me. Single engine turbine, high flying, glass in front of you, RXP gauges add nicely.

 

Bonanza A36, bit on the boring/slower side of flying, not super high powered or able to go to high FL, but the mix of the digital and analogue gauges and the nice FDE gives an edge over the older Bonanzas.

 

Hopefully not spoiling the thread, but take a look at the Milviz Baron too. Superb optics and great accuracy and features. Easy on the frames and you can also test fly her due to the 30 day money back policy.

 

Now all those planes feature a FDE from Bernt Stolle (the Milviz actually comes with two FDE renditions, one is from him) which I found to be very good and clearly a large improvement over older Carenado planes. Fortunately, he also offers free updates for e.g. the C208 or the older Bonanzas and C185. Recommended!

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Hopefully not spoiling the thread, but take a look at the Milviz Baron too

 

Hope it isn't spoiling the thread...wonder how it compares to the Duke. How's the 530 and 430? Does it accept RXP?


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Good question. The RXP units are supported in 3D. The Duke's integration may be slightly better and easier to achieve due to the config tool, but that's complaining on a high level.

 

The Duke being the faster and more complex rw plane, with the turbocharged engines and some pressurization installed. So the Baron cruises slower and lower. The VC is very good. Less clean than the Duke and top notch standard in my eyes. You'll receive a used looking plane. If you like those, you will love her. Adjustable gauge backlighting is included, unfortunately failing on the 3D RXP units, but that's a minor.

 

The Milviz features the new landing lights, but no VC rain (which the Duke has). But you get some weather scope and I also like the sounds some more, being less prominent than on the piston Duke. All switches have sounds, which is a thing the Duke can have with using a user made mod.

 

The manuals offer a full POH. No trouble finding and reading the system descriptions. The framerates are nice too, slightly better than the Duke on my system. Due to the different flying regimes of the planes, it's worth having both I guess. Well, that is my thinking so far.

 

I'd say that if you can spare the money for testing her those 30 days, head over to Milviz. Looks like a sure shot, but I only have her since a few days. Support works very good and now is Avsim based.

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My favorites are the C337 and the RealAir Lancair.

 

The 337 has an antique autopilot... the Lancair has a current generation

BK autopilot, and yes, the mouse wheel can be used on the knobs (!)


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