It's the "closed minded", that choose to stick with only one sim...

 

Or it could simply be a practical matter of limited time and money.

The time and money part I can certainly agree with especially those who have a small fortune wrapped up in FSX. I get the willies thinking about what I might have to buy to get it to "as real as it gets".

 

Bob

I have a rather vanilla install of FSX. The only add-ons are Flight Environment X and Ground Environment X USA & Canada, so I didn't have as much of a vested interest in it as some people which made the jump to X-Plane 10 fairly easy. I guess if you have a lot of money tied up on one sim or another then there's quite a bit of inertia to overcome.

I have a lot of time and money "invested" in FSX (I hate to use that term because it is not going up in value).

 

However being a big user of FSX+Payware who still enjoys it did not keep me from testing the waters of XP10 or (Flight as well) and it was the enhancements and performance improvements I've seen in the XP10 demo beta updates that finally helped convince me to buy XP10 Global and join in on the fun (along with the screenshots and discussions from fellow XP10+FSX users)

 

I suspect there are more of us out here that plan to keep using FSX when in certain moods and XP10 for other moods so I hope the conversations can be tolerant of both users and that XP10 can benefit from those of us who don't feel the need to choose just one simulator series to dedicate ourselves to.

 

So far 10.10B6 is working great for me even with HDR on, the only thing I wish is that the great new view system would work when I "pause" TrackIR the same as it does when I have TrackIR disabled in the devices.

Or it could simply be a practical matter of limited time and money.

 

I'll add my input too. I just don't have the time to waste to mess around with more than one sim. Have you heard the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none".

 

Besides I am already well acquainted with MSFS from ver 5 up to FS2004. At which point I tried Xplane and decided to say goodbye to MSFS.

 

Regards

 

[edit] I had a foray into the world of propilot also until it went bellyup

I think anyone is entitled to use/not use and do whatever they like in the simming world :) Any excuse why you want to use one or the other is valid as it's a personal thing.

 

 

I do however get tired with the phrase I have seen repeated over and over since I started to frequent this forum. That is the one about the 'open mind'. The phrase that implies people are not open minded if they don't see things they way a certain person sees them.

 

In fact I dont think 'open mind' is a phrase that should be used around xplane. It's always got a negative meaning associated with it. Ever watch the real estate programs. The guy drives the people out for miles to see something they think is going to be great after it was talked up. Then last minute as they walk up to the driveway just before the house comes in to view the estate agent says - 'now keep an open mind'. We all know what that means :)

 

Most importantly, the phrase open minded around here is used as a jibe to other posters and it gets a but tiresome over time.

If you're installation is crashing, send your crash_log.txt file to Laminar. It holds a lot of very valuable information on the crash that they can address.

Feel sure in knowing that if it is a common problem that is specific to X Plane, and not your system, it WILL get fixed.

 

I thought V10.10 will automatically send crash log to laminar ?

 

Thanks

I thought V10.10 will automatically send crash log to laminar ?

 

Thanks

 

Unfortunately, no.

You could either send the crash_log.txt file to X Plane support or the better thing to do is to fill out a bug report and attach the txt file or copy and paste the text in the bug report.

Unfortunately, no.

 

Fortunately yes, but unfortunately not every time

Kinda what I meant.

Tom,

 

Do you know what are the current plan for the ATC?

X-plane becomes better and better, but without a reliable ATC it's quite "difficult" to fly the airliners.

LR does not say anything officially about their plans on the ATC development. In fact, they don't even mention it anymore in any their blogs or announcements. That makes me worry that they are just not going to work on it anymore.

 

Could you please let us know what are the ATC plans?

 

Thanks a lot.

The person on the team that was doing the ATC work is working on other things at the moment, IIRC. Once they get to around 10.20, I should think they would go back to enhancing half-assed or unimplemented features that were on the board, but put on hold due to other more important (Austin's the final decider of what matters in XP) issues and features.

 

We know there's a lot yet to be done with XP before we're all happy with it. The major question is how far is XP's individual features as to where AUSTIN would like to see them. If he's happy with the ATC as it is (which in his whole opinion, ATC and AI wouldn't exist at all), nothing will happen from here on out.

 

It'd be interesting to get a list of the features we are discontented with their current state (incomplete or non-existent or just plane buggy) and get a response from Austin as to where he would like to see these features, in Austin's IDEAL XP (not necessarily before XP 11). We know that XP11 will use XP10 as it's foundation to build upon. The more we have by the end of XP10, the more XP11 can focus on additional features or rehashing half-assed features that aren't up to suff, but may require a big section of XP being reworked to fix or eliminated and rewritten to get proper.

That makes me worry that they are just not going to work on it anymore.

 

Well I can at least guarantee THAT is not going to happen. As Aaron mentioned, we shift around a bit based on priorities. We're essentially spinning plates....which is just about how everything in life goes. I am not sure as to what the ATC plans are, but can only speculate that as long as it's not fully reliable and just "working", then it will get worked on at some point. Also, as Aaron mentioned, the "modus operandi" of x-plane after beta release is to get all bugs squashed...rendering bugs, inaccurate planes etc....and during this phase which we are currently in, we do a lot of bouncing around in response to 1000s of reports. Once x-plane is stable, then we declare it "final" and go back to working on improving features. So while ATC may not be "ideal", it's not crashing the sim or exhibiting "gross negligent behavior". Now I know that last sentence is highly debatable, but I refer to the perspective from the programming side. Right now, the goal is to get the planes fixed up and rendering bugs squashed and get to final. Beyond that, I suspect we'll go back to messing with ATC, scenery submissions, WED, training materials, maybe new liveries...who knows what will be on the list of improvements. We know there is plenty to choose from.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

www.ixeg.net

Thank you Aaron and Tom for the info.

The importance of the ATC and AI for flying airliners was discussed here so many times... Hopefully, someone at LR will be able to persuade Austin to continue working on it... :-)

I suspect, that his opinion is to use those online ATCs. Yes, they are good and realistic in many aspects, but at the same time they are not an option for me and for many other (if not the most) people for many good reasons.

 

Thanks again.

Well I can at least guarantee THAT is not going to happen. As Aaron mentioned, we shift around a bit based on priorities. We're essentially spinning plates....which is just about how everything in life goes. I am not sure as to what the ATC plans are, but can only speculate that as long as it's not fully reliable and just "working", then it will get worked on at some point. Also, as Aaron mentioned, the "modus operandi" of x-plane after beta release is to get all bugs squashed...rendering bugs, inaccurate planes etc....and during this phase which we are currently in, we do a lot of bouncing around in response to 1000s of reports. Once x-plane is stable, then we declare it "final" and go back to working on improving features. So while ATC may not be "ideal", it's not crashing the sim or exhibiting "gross negligent behavior". Now I know that last sentence is highly debatable, but I refer to the perspective from the programming side. Right now, the goal is to get the planes fixed up and rendering bugs squashed and get to final. Beyond that, I suspect we'll go back to messing with ATC, scenery submissions, WED, training materials, maybe new liveries...who knows what will be on the list of improvements. We know there is plenty to choose from.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

www.ixeg.net

 

Thanks Tom, I appreciate your post and I can understand the rational behind the decisions on fixing critical things before others.

 

I do think personally that ATC should take a more of a role front and center though. After all on the front page of the xplane site they have chosen three quotes from no doubt the hundreds they have. One of those quotes is

 

'Love XP10! Keep up the great work. I especially love the new ATC. Keep up the great work!'

 

A strange quote to have used on the front page given the state of ATC. It's also a listed feature on the intro page while new features that are not listed have been implemented while ATC has been left to languish.

 

My view is if it is a feature that helps sell xplane and is worthy of top billing in the marketing then it should be worthy of fixing before some other features are implemented and we all know new features are coming in now, not just critical bug fixes.

 

Sorry if the fonts keep changing in this post. I shouldnt have cut and paste that quote in.