Right, But it is not native in FSX was the point. =)

 

 

Show me an airport in Kansas that is cover in snow for the whole winter...............

 

Trust me, give up.  I would much rather see you make more videos than see you waste time and energy beating your head against the brick wall that is FSX vs X-Plane.

Right, But it is not native in FSX was the point. =)

 

 

Show me an airport in Kansas that is cover in snow for the whole winter...............

Show me an airport in Kansas that is EVER covered in snow, even for a single day. Oh wait, you can't because default XPX doesn't contain winter ground textures.

 

 

Right, But it is not native in FSX was the point. =)

 

What do you mean not native to FSX? DX10 is an FSX mode, the default aircraft uses it, can't get more native then that!!

Pushing X-Plane on a FSX forum is like a Kirby vacuum salesman...... persistant and sometimes irratating. :smile: Actually, X-Plane 10 is a good sim. It's just not the only sim. There are those who say they don't have time for more than one sim. I wonder, if that's the case, do they have time for any sim? There are those who say they left FSX years ago, and never looked back. But it's like they say..........you don't miss, what you haven't experienced.

 

 

I myself, want a sim, that can recreate the sense of flights, that I've taken in real life. I use to live by an airport, and kept a plane in a hangar there. I could fly just about anytime I wanted. I don't live by the airport anymore, and no longer have an airplane. Therefor, I want the best desktop experience possible. At this time, if I limited myself to one particular simulation, I'd be missing out. Not just missing a little bit, but a lot!

 

 

At this point, there are exceptional developers for both X-Plane and FSX. Developers that care, and will spend the time researching and creating exceptional aircraft, scenery, etc. FSX isn't dead yet, and X-Plane still is taking it's time, getting there. There is no reason to jump ship. There is no reason you can't still be running both sims. Neither sim, will fully take place of those real flights, that I enjoyed. I'm glad that it's a case of picking and choosing, to get those "WOW" moments. I've seen some mouth watering video for X-Plane. I've seen the same for FSX. There is no monopoly, in terms of being the better overal flight experience. For everything exceptional, there is still the duds or so-so.

 

 

To the staunch FSX users, I would say that it's worthwhile to check out the X-Plane experience. To those who stick soley with X-Plane, you either know you missing out, or litterly don't know. One thing that I do know, is that you need to be a computer nerd/geek, to run either sim with their full capacity. This has very little to do with real piloting. I've even questioned my willingness to keep up with all the required settings, files, etc. It's probably the reason that many of my pilot friends haven't even tried desktop simulation. In the meantime, just use both. At least for a few more years, or so...

 

 

At this point, there are exceptional developers for both X-Plane and FSX. Developers that care, and will spend the time researching and creating exceptional aircraft, scenery, etc. FSX isn't dead yet, and X-Plane still is taking it's time, getting there. There is no reason to jump ship. There is no reason you can't still be running both sims. Neither sim, will fully take place of those real flights, that I enjoyed. I'm glad that it's a case of picking and choosing, to get those "WOW" moments. I've seen some mouth watering video for X-Plane. I've seen the same for FSX. There is no monopoly, in terms of being the better overal flight experience. For everything exceptional, there is still the duds or so-so.

 

Well said. I call the folks who take a hard line for either sim "Defenders of the Realm". They're so locked into what they perceive as the best or only sim, that they can't bring themselves to see any other viewpoint. Some spend more time sniping at the other side than they do flying.

As far as default scenery is concerned, I'm not personally bothered at all, as I will always source out the best possible flying experience by using, what IMO, are the best addons in the way of aircraft and scenery. Whether XP or FSX, to me, they are just an engine to make my addons work. Seeing fantastic screenies does nothing for me, they are identical to FSX when using photosceneries, except that IMO XP shows crappy clouds (sorry just my opinion.) Now, if XP can show sceneries that again IMO are better than say Orbx regions and airports, or UK2000 airports, great weather and skies, and of course aircraft to the standard of PMDG, A2A etc. then maybe I could sacrifice some of the other aspects of FSX such as Ezdok (unlikely.) But hey, it's already been said, until some big 3rd party devs get on board I truly believe that XP's future is very limited. I would certainly like to try XP, but so far, absolutely nothing has convinced me to do so by sacrificing the experience I currently have with FSX. BTW, unsure, but what about using all my hardware in XP? My Vrinsight panels, goflight panels, etc?

As far as default scenery is concerned, I'm not personally bothered at all, as I will always source out the best possible flying experience by using, what IMO, are the best addons in the way of aircraft and scenery. Whether XP or FSX, to me, they are just an engine to make my addons work. Seeing fantastic screenies does nothing for me, they are identical to FSX when using photosceneries, except that IMO XP shows crappy clouds (sorry just my opinion.) Now, if XP can show sceneries that again IMO are better than say Orbx regions and airports, or UK2000 airports, great weather and skies, and of course aircraft to the standard of PMDG, A2A etc. then maybe I could sacrifice some of the other aspects of FSX such as Ezdok (unlikely.) But hey, it's already been said, until some big 3rd party devs get on board I truly believe that XP's future is very limited. I would certainly like to try XP, but so far, absolutely nothing has convinced me to do so by sacrificing the experience I currently have with FSX. BTW, unsure, but what about using all my hardware in XP? My Vrinsight panels, goflight panels, etc?

 

Actually, I COULD show you scenery and aircraft to the standards you specified, but what's the point?  There are many people, like yourself, who are convinced that no one will ever top the developers you mentioned.  No matter what you are shown.

 

Just to address another point you mentioned.  X Planes future is far from limited.  I'm sure you already know of PMDG's interest in developing for X-Plane.  And going by their business model, I seriously doubt they want to develop for a platform with a "limited future".

I think the Mod need to lock this thread.  The conversation is getting silly.  The truth is that it take money to try XP10 and its demo really does not do it justice.  It's different than FSX and excepted for the very few aero dynamic experts, you can't tell the difference with high quality add-on for each.  With money in short supply, those who have a lot of money invested in FSX (myself included) will not buy an expensive add on like the JRollon CRJ-200 or FF 777 to try out and compare.  I did get both of these plane model, and I can tell you one thing for sure: I don't get stutters on approach or when FSX is trying to inject something.  Sure there are still many add-ons that do not have equivalence yet in XP10 but that will change in time.   I enjoy both.

Actually, I COULD show you scenery and aircraft to the standards you specified, but what's the point?  There are many people, like yourself, who are convinced that no one will ever top the developers you mentioned.  No matter what you are shown.

 

Just to address another point you mentioned.  X Planes future is far from limited.  I'm sure you already know of PMDG's interest in developing for X-Plane.  And going by their business model, I seriously doubt they want to develop for a platform with a "limited future".

 

Don't get me wrong Goran, I'd be the first person to jump ship, believe it or not. But, my opinions are based on my personal CURRENT experience of XP, although limited, and for me anyway, there are just too many sacrifices. That's not to say my opinion cannot be swayed, quite the opposite, it's just that I would have to have more convincing 'evidence' for me to make the jump.

 

I really would love XP to become the No1 sim of choice, but as we have all agreed, it needs some serious commitment from devs, and that won't happen IMO when XP basically has a very small market share compared to FSX. Some of the bigger devs, by developing for XP in the way of sales, can perhaps offset early limited profits against continual sales in FSX. For smaller companies, that is the conundrum. A perfect example is with Bryan over at FS2Crew, when the Airbus X was released everyone was hounding him for an FS2Crew product to go with the new plane. His response was that he couldn't justify the costs of developing for a product before knowing if that product would be successful or big enough to justify his time and expense.  

 

I hope if PMDG is developing for XP then that will in some way suggest to other devs that XP is the way forward. I'd like to think so, as like most others, I tire of FSX's 32bit limitations. But I have managed to create a flying experience which I am pretty happy with, albeit within FSX's constraints. :wink:

 

BTW: You say, Actually, I COULD show you scenery and aircraft to the standards you specified, but what's the point? Please do, I am interested and am open minded enough to want to be swayed.

Don't get me wrong Goran, I'd be the first person to jump ship, believe it or not. But, my opinions are based on my personal CURRENT experience of XP, although limited, and for me anyway, there are just too many sacrifices. That's not to say my opinion cannot be swayed, quite the opposite, it's just that I would have to have more convincing 'evidence' for me to make the jump.

 

I really would love XP to become the No1 sim of choice, but as we have all agreed, it needs some serious commitment from devs, and that won't happen IMO when XP basically has a very small market share compared to FSX. Some of the bigger devs, by developing for XP in the way of sales, can perhaps offset early limited profits against continual sales in FSX. For smaller companies, that is the conundrum. A perfect example is with Bryan over at FS2Crew, when the Airbus X was released everyone was hounding him for an FS2Crew product to go with the new plane. His response was that he couldn't justify the costs of developing for a product before knowing if that product would be successful or big enough to justify his time and expense.  

 

I hope if PMDG is developing for XP then that will in some way suggest to other devs that XP is the way forward. I'd like to think so, as like most others, I tire of FSX's 32bit limitations. But I have managed to create a flying experience which I am pretty happy with, albeit within FSX's constraints. :wink:

 

BTW: You say, Actually, I COULD show you scenery and aircraft to the standards you specified, but what's the point? Please do, I am interested and am open minded enough to want to be swayed.

 

Well, ok, fair enough, but you do realize that by limiting yourself to just 3 developers as the standard, you're limiting your own experiences with your preferred platform.  

I would be more than happy to point you in the direction of payware add ons (Aircraft and scenery) in the x-plane community which would give you a couple of second guesses and cause you to possibly rethink your stance.  However, due to my status as a commercial developer, I am unable to do so.  

I'm sure if you hung around the X-Plane forums a bit more, you could see other peoples experiences.  Particularly "jcomm".  He's our resident X-Plane "publicist".

The quality is already there.  And to the standards you asked for.  All you have to do is approach it with an open mind...leaving all bias behind.  

Well, ok, fair enough, but you do realize that by limiting yourself to just 3 developers as the standard, you're limiting your own experiences with your preferred platform.  

I would be more than happy to point you in the direction of payware add ons (Aircraft and scenery) in the x-plane community which would give you a couple of second guesses and cause you to possibly rethink your stance.  However, due to my status as a commercial developer, I am unable to do so.  

I'm sure if you hung around the X-Plane forums a bit more, you could see other peoples experiences.  Particularly "jcomm".  He's our resident X-Plane "publicist".

The quality is already there.  And to the standards you asked for.  All you have to do is approach it with an open mind...leaving all bias behind.  

 

Hmm, OK, I guess I should check out more stuff. The thing that gets me, is all the screenies I ever see are with photoscenery, and guys bang on about how good it looks... well of course it does, it's photoscenery! So, with an open mind, can you suggest to me scenery that's available, that is comparable to Orbx ie. landclass/autogen based products, cheers...

I wish I could.  But I can't.  One of the rules of being classed as a commercial developer is not to recommend other add ons as it looks too much like advertising.  

However, I'm sure there are others who will be more than happy to accommodate you.

Start a new thread in the X-Plane forums and I have no doubt you will get a healthy response from others.

You could even do a google search for X-Plane payware aircraft or scenery.  It returns a very hefty result.

Thanks Goran...

Actually, I COULD show you scenery and aircraft to the standards you specified, but what's the point?  There are many people, like yourself, who are convinced that no one will ever top the developers you mentioned.  No matter what you are shown.

 

Just to address another point you mentioned.  X Planes future is far from limited.  I'm sure you already know of PMDG's interest in developing for X-Plane.  And going by their business model, I seriously doubt they want to develop for a platform with a "limited future".

 

 

Your SAAB is PMDG quality, If A2A would make their 172 for X-plane I would be in heaven. 

I would say the Saab and the FlyJsim 727 meets or exceeds PMDG Quality.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to sell x-plane 10 to anyone. I feel you should fly what makes you happy. All I was doing is to show what X-plane is capable of instead of people judging the sim by what they have heard or by the demo.

 

What I enjoy is taking amazing screen shots and Videos of all three sims (FSX, P3D, Xplane 10).

 

I offer eye candy from both sides :biggrin:

P3D

 

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