Nice stereotyping. And everyone who disagrees is neatly packaged in a disreputable box for easy dismissal.

 

Cool.

You are free to disagree but this is my viewpoint and what I've seen time and time again from bloggers to real world friends/coworkers.  Where do you disagree?

You are free to disagree but this is my viewpoint and what I've seen time and time again from bloggers to real world friends/coworkers. Where do you disagree?

I disagree that the people disliking and choosing not to use Windows all fit into such convenient and easily dismiss-able boxes. I don't even think the opinions of the people who like it can be confined to such convenient stereotypes.

So to sum it up, a big part of the reason that Microsoft is not growing with Windows 8 is YOU!  You have a personal vendetta against them or you could care less because you're a fair weather fan and have fallen in love with Apple or Google or both but at the same time you still want to hold a place for Flight Sim!

Gosh you've really hit the nail on the head!!! It might come as a big surprise to you that even though MS is in the business of telling us what we want. In the end it is "we" that decide to buy it or not. MS cannot however hard they try control our decision to buy. W8 has received a universally bad press. Industry and commerce isn't going to re upgrade all their staff after just having spent a large fortune doing it with W7. Why did XP do so well? Because it was what the market place wanted. W8 is a side show at best.

So to sum it up, a big part of the reason that Microsoft is not growing with Windows 8 is YOU! You have a personal vendetta against them or you could care less because you're a fair weather fan and have fallen in love with Apple or Google or both but at the same time you still want to hold a place for Flight Sim!

I have an issue with them because this new model their trying to push almost drove Apple under (the iPhone/Steve Jobs saved them from oblivion). I have an issue because of the lack of concern for the FS community and the discontinuation of Flight Simulator. So any time I see them stumble for nothing more than stupidity on their part I'm happy. Hopefully Bill Gate will get a clue and do an overhaul of the company by first getting ride of Steve Ballmer. The world wants to move forward with innovation not deal with a company that's finding every way they can to isolate their work and push users in their managed Xbox box. I didn't drink the coolaide years ago with FSX so today I fly more than tweak when I can't go up in the real world (it's crazy what people are putting up with using FSX, on the newest of machines these days mind you). I won't buy something just because it's new it has to be good so I've stuck with Windows 7. Lack of support and sales is the only thing Microsoft understands (well Steve Ballmer that is). The man/CEO is not a visionary but a hack trying to come off as one. He will have to go before true change happens and that will only come after all these power grabs on the market and intrusion into people's private use of software fails, which is what's happening with Windows 8.

Fair enough Devon, but I wish you would share your insight and thoughts so that I can understand better just like vololiberista and Dillon have.  However, vololiberista is jaded by Microsoft because he doesn't want them making his decision to buy and believes what the press has to say is all valid and doesn't believe Windows 8 is a progression from Windows 7 but a hinderance and steps backwards.  Dillon explained that he is jaded by Microsoft by feeling they are stagnant and misguided by the current CEO and feel like we are all going to end up on the XBox (which has some validity for services).  I touched on both of these hence they feel they have to look away instead of feeling any level of support for MS in any good way.

Id Rather Be Flying said some good and true stuff. It is also common psychology that the people are "afraid" of the changes and their usual routine. I think that same thing can be taken into the consideration in the PC world too. Personal vendettas is an interesting thought though. Which I think MS couldn't care less about them. I think that MS Flight showed what MS really thinks of this community. 

I've read & heard nothing but the results of 4 camps in this article as usual. These threads are common all over the Internet & in person with most individuals I know:

 

I won't move forward to Windows 8 because everything is setup and configured perfectly on my FSX rig using Windows 7. MS has given me no incentive to move forward as they have in the past. If anything for the first time in 30 years of purchasing their products I have no incentive to move forward, not because I fear it, just no reason to be bothered.

 

Jumping from MS-DOS 6.22 to Windows 95 had an incentive, because Flight Sim 95 ran on it and ran better then Flight Sim 5.1 in MS-DOS 6.22, This was a quantum leap in computing getting us old DOS boys into Windows 95 as prior to this we had a choice between MS-DOS and Windows 3,1, most of us just used MS-DOS with a boot disk to start up Flight Sim 5.1 (or any other software package at that time), that worked amazing and the idea of having Windows 95 run in the background of Flight Sim (or anything else) was unpopular at that time....but at least Flight Sim 95 gave us the incentive to make that leap, and we did.

 

Today their is no incentive for this old Flight Simulator user to make any move forward when everything is working 100% perfect with all my current investments in FSX. If Microsoft came out with a revolutionary new Flight Sim that worked in Windows 8 then I would have.. For the first time in my 30 years as an MS Customer they have nothing for me.

 

Also I'd Rather By Flying, I don'f fit inside your box of stereotype users, I am a very lucky person that my career does not require the use of any computers at all, my computer use is for FSX and a few other things like Forums, Internet, Email and the only other games I play are Farm Sim and Empire, Total War, So I don't fit inside your box. Call me camp 5....Flight Sim User, because that is what I am.

 

I did beta test Windows 8 with an open mind, and just didn't like the layout of it, and MS gave me no reason to move forward (for the first time in 30 years)

Good stuff ytzpilot! Fair enough and thanks for your input! I know there are many other paths why people choose what they do and thanks for sharing yours.

Good stuff ytzpilot! Fair enough and thanks for your input! I know there are many other paths why people choose what they do and thanks for sharing yours.

 

No problem mate.....Kind of the way I see things right now. I used to be an Apple customer. I had an Apple 2e and an Apple 2c. Reason being is Sublogic produced Flight Simulator for the Apple. When Microsoft bought Flight Simulator from Sublogic was when I switched to a PC User. Today Microsoft has abandoned Flight Simulator, so with that I might just go back to being an Apple customer once again for my next purchase. I was with them first any ways.

 

Cheers Mate

Windows 8 who needs it XP and WIndows are 7 good to run anything you need anyways.  Windows 8 all have pass on it, and just buy Windows 7 or find XP used copy. 

The term is "couldn't care less". Why do so many people make the same mistake?

Well, Bill Gates is not going to fix Microsoft, he is not going to fix Windows, he is not going to fix Flight Simulator, instead he is going to fix the Condom....

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/03/26/business-gates-condom.html

 

What a guy  B)

I've been futzing around with Windows, and building my own computers, since the days of the Pentium 486.

 

Win8 is the most reliable and secure variant MS has ever come up with.

 

MS has been struggling with multiple, competing ideas about how to handle security, ever since they began a push back around 2000 to expand their penetration into the server-side, not just desktop, OS market.

 

They're currently struggling to be in places their competitors have beaten them, and this has caused a loss of focus.

 

Their bullying culture internally has produced a tremendous waste of talent, with people in charge of things who shouldn't be. OTOH, they could completely implode if they gave into the complexity of their efforts, so having a few bulls in the software development china shop is probably necessary at this point.

 

Oh well. I kept a Core2Duo system with XP running for six years, stable, until the frigging capacitors on my motherboard started to go.

 

Upgraded hardware, software, now hopefully I'm good until I die.

 

If MS goes cheaper and more incremental with their upgrades, that's fine by me.

 

Change is inevitable. You either go with the flow or you drown.

Change is inevitable. You either go with the flow or you drown.

Or you stay with FSX or FS9 and instead of the new alternative, Ace Combat...