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Windows 8.1 - The Start Button Returns

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Yep, I may just stay with Win7 for 7 yrs or more. Or until OSX for PCs is released!

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I am so glad I didn't upgrade to this fiasco:

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/start-button-officially-returning-with-windows-81

 

 

You can upgrade to Windows 8.1 or just stay with Windows 7, I think I will just stay with Windows 7

 

Is it me or does that video preview the current Windows 8 touting there's a new Start button somewhere??? If they keep playing games the flop will continue...

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What is wrong with the folks over at MS?...why don't they understand that the START button without the attached Start MENU has not been asked for by ANYONE and will not fix the functionality they broke in Win8.

 

Geez, MS and Apple...they both blow chunks now since their founders have gone.

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Should not wait until it's actually announced rather than believing what's posted on the web?

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I use Stardock Software Start8 and its perfect! Same as Windows 7 style.

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Some websites are now saying that a) Win 8.1 won't be out as a release version until "the end of the year" and b ) the Start Button will just dump you back to the Metro UI. Simmo W is right. Apple should take advantage of these fiasco and release OSX for the PC. But then again, Apple has lost interest in the desktop market also.

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Apple has lost interest in the desktop market also.

 

There could be a reason for that.

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I use Stardock Software Start8 and its perfect! Same as Windows 7 style.

 

Yeah I've heard of that one and it looks really good, thanks for bringing it up.

My own preference is with Classic Shell. It does the same basic thing and is completely free, where as Start8 isn't.

 

There's also something called Pokki too:

http://www.pokki.com/windows-8-start-menu

 

and there's more options out there for getting the start menu back in Win8, here's a list and review of some:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33642_7-57496506-292/how-to-get-the-start-menu-back-in-windows-8/

 

pick and choose!

 

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There could be a reason for that.

 

Could be they're being silly maybe? :lol: The desktop market is out there and always will be (there's just a number of things that are really awkward to do on a touch screen type of interface), a bit questionable for a business involved with Operating Systems to just ignore it. They can easily do both a desktop and touch screen versions of their OS - why not target everybody instead of excluding potential clients.

 

At any rate - Not happy with Apple and Microsoft - give one of the many Linux distros a try, you may be surprised how good it is and if you get used to it you will wonder how you ever got along without it. At time of writing Linux Mint offers the best all-round desktop OS alternative.

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I don't mind the lack of start button,it's the joystick ficaso that gets me  :angry:

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Could be they're being silly maybe?  The desktop market is out there and always will be (there's just a number of things that are really awkward to do on a touch screen type of interface), a bit questionable for a business involved with Operating Systems to just ignore it. They can easily do both a desktop and touch screen versions of their OS - why not target everybody instead of excluding potential clients.

 

Microsoft won the desktop market, and Apple moved on. Why keep fighting? Even if Apple did, their products are about controlling the overall experience and having everything work together as a whole, and not about trying to meet everyone's needs like Windows tries to. Not exactly something those looking for a Windows replacement are going to like (and then there's the price of the computers...). Linux would be the better choice in the long run depending on where Microsoft goes.

 

Windows 8 should have had a boot to desktop option from the beginning. I'm not as concerned about the Start button (which will just take you to the new Start Screen). My desktop is not connected to a touch screen and just about everything I do is with a desktop application, not a Metro one.

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Microsoft is trying to fix what it got wrong with its radical makeover of Windows. It's making the operating system easier to navigate and enabling users to set up the software so it starts in a more familiar format designed for personal computers.

The revisions to Windows 8 will be released later this year. The free update, called Windows 8.1, represents Microsoft's concessions to long-time customers taken aback by the dramatic changes to an operating system that had become a staple in households and offices around the world during the past 20 years. Research group IDC has blamed Windows 8 for accelerating a decline in PC sales.

With the release of Windows 8 seven months ago, Microsoft introduced a startup screen displaying applications in a mosaic of interactive tiles instead of static icons. The shift agitated many users who wanted the option to launch the operating system in a mode that resembled the old setup. That choice will be provided in Windows 8.1.

However, Microsoft isn't bringing back the start menu on the lower left corner of the screen. Windows has offered the button for accessing all programs and settings on every previous version of the operating system since 1995. Microsoft believes the startup screen replaces the need for a button, but its omission has ranked among the biggest gripes about Windows 8.

 

Microsoft aims to simplify with Windows 8.1 - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WINDOWS_TUNEUP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-30-18-33-37

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However, Microsoft isn't bringing back the start menu on the lower left corner of the screen. Windows has offered the button for accessing all programs and settings on every previous version of the operating system since 1995. Microsoft believes the startup screen replaces the need for a button, but its omission has ranked among the biggest gripes about Windows 8.

 

Microsoft aims to simplify with Windows 8.1 - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WINDOWS_TUNEUP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-30-18-33-37

In other words they aren't listening and trying to push back yet again. People want the start button back at the bottom of the desktop screen not a re-hack of Metro. These people are truly a piece of work...

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Could be they're being silly maybe?

 

Or perhaps they both see better opportunities elsewhere?

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I guess they decided to not rip-off Windows 8 users like they did Vista users. Microsoft lost me on that one. Sounds like they at least learned that passing off fixes as a new system is not smart. I'll stick with 7.

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Stupid. Start button but no menu? Then what's the fcking point? What a waste of resources this OS is.

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Microsoft won the desktop market, and Apple moved on. Why keep fighting? Even if Apple did, their products are about controlling the overall experience and having everything work together as a whole, and not about trying to meet everyone's needs like Windows tries to. Not exactly something those looking for a Windows replacement are going to like (and then there's the price of the computers...). Linux would be the better choice in the long run depending on where Microsoft goes.

 

Windows 8 should have had a boot to desktop option from the beginning. I'm not as concerned about the Start button (which will just take you to the new Start Screen). My desktop is not connected to a touch screen and just about everything I do is with a desktop application, not a Metro one.

 

 

The classic shell and other 3rd party alternatives I mentioned earlier bring back the whole start menu to Win8 and are highly customizable to boot too. Bringing back just the start button is useless and entirely cosmetic.

 

Yes - Linux is a real alternative I am very happy to have!

 

Stupid. Start button but no menu? Then what's the fcking point? What a waste of resources this OS is.

 

Please do not try to get around our rude word filters like that.

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The classic shell and other 3rd party alternatives I mentioned earlier bring back the whole start menu to Win8 and are highly customizable to boot too. Bringing back just the start button is useless and entirely cosmetic.

 

I'm well aware of the alternatives and am using Start8 myself. My concern is that Microsoft appears to have thought everyone would be using a touch screen by now, whether on the desktop or on a laptop. They failed to recognise that there is a difference in usage and went too far with the changes on the desktop.

 

The issue they are addressing with adding the Start button back is that there was no visual indication of how to get back to the Start Screen. Yes, there are keyboard shortcuts, and you can move the mouse into the corner, but no visual hint in a GUI is generally poor design.

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not only that but it is also more of a chore to find the correct shortcut/tile on the new start screen as compared to the older start menu where it used to be more obvious and quicker to get to.

 

Most people who are new to windows8 dont realize that once you are at the start screen all you need to do is start typing the name of the program you want, and thats it. I bet some here dont even know that one. Now for folks who have been around this works just dandy, but for those who are new computer users its a nightmare, since they dont know the names of any programs anyway or what they do.

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Please do not try to get around our rude word filters like that.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean for it to evade the filter.

 

Anyway, if I had to use Windows 8 (after buying a NONTOUCH laptop which I've been looking around for) the only tile I'd have on my start screen is the desktop tile.

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Please do not try to get around our rude word filters like that.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean for it to evade the filter.

 

 

Anyway, if I had to use Windows 8 (after buying a NONTOUCH laptop which I've been looking around for) the only tile I'd have on my start screen is the desktop tile.

With the 8.1 update, there will be a boot to desktop setting.

 

As for touch screens on laptops, I think they are a useful addition. With a laptop one's hands are already quite close to the screen and sometimes just being able to swipe or pinch to do something can be easier. This is different than a desktop where the screens are often further away and reaching up to touch one is more inconvenient.

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With the 8.1 update, there will be a boot to desktop setting.

 

Of course, I know that. However, "yay, I just booted to the desktop. But now I need to open a program (or 'App' as it is called in Windows 8  <_< ) that is not pinned to my taskbar/desktop. So back to the start screen!".

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