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What's the best overall GA plane for VFR/Sightseeing?

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Guys, I would like to know what the best plane is for vfr and sight seeing is for FSX? When I say best I mean, best looking graphics for exterior and interior, especially amazingly detailed virtual cockpit since thats the view I use most. And also sounds, and in terms on airplane features like glass cockpits, modern and advanced avionics.

 

I currently use Carenado Cirrus SR22GTX, and the 182T Skylane. Nice planes, but I feel there is something better out there. I love all glass cockpits, and would like a plane with an unobstructed view while I am flying in the vc. I like to be able to see  as much of the outside world as possible, not only what's in front of me, but to my left and right as well. So the front window of this plane would have to be nicely wide and shaped without anything interfering or blocking my view.

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Realair Legacy. Modern, fast, looks awesome and has one of the best flight dynamics I've ever seen on any FSX GA aircraft. 

 

It doesn't have a glass cockpit though and some high wing aircraft might have better view outside and so, still it's no doubt one of the very best GA birds made for FSX, the immersion is just amazing.

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I like the Baytower RV7, or for low and slow, the RealAir Scout...

 

I'm sure you'll get many more   :P 

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Awesome guys, thanks for the recommendations. I will definitely give these a try! Feel free to add more to the list.

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Another vote for the Baytower RV7.  It doesn't meet all your standards (no glass cockpit) but it's fast and responsive, and has a fighter-style canopy, so the view is unparalleled.

 

You might also like the RealAir SF260.  It's long in the tooth and has mostly been supplanted by their Legacy, but it's a great, fast flyer and, like the RV7, has a clear canopy with an unobstructed view all around.

 

For sightseeing, my choice is the A2A Piper J-3 Cub with Accu-sim, but that's a whole different kettle of fish.  Sightseeing is great because it's so slow that you can really get a look at things.  View is wonderful if you open the door.  But no electrical system, so no glass.  And at a 70-80 mph cruise, you really have to be in the right mood for it.

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<p>And of course, the A2A Cub with window/ door open.  Tad slow, but if you want to sight-see,  I think that would be a plus.</p>

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<p>Not sure if you can fit it with a glass cockpit, though.  ;)    </p>

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<p>(Beat me to it!)</p>

 

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I like the Carenado C337H. Being an in-line, high-wing twin, it gives you great visibility and excellent speed.

Sure the RAS Legacy has a more realistic flight model. But the low-wing design makes it less suitable for sightseeing.

 

Cheers,

 

Noel.

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Because you want sightseeing (slower) GA planes, and because you said you like glass, you might want to have a look at the rather nice C162 Skycatcher from Flight 1.

http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=flt1c162
 

 

The P92 Eaglet from Ant's Airplanes is also an absolute winner; beautiful quality, and like the above, High Wing so you get the best view for sightseeing :-

 

http://www.antsairplanes.com/eaglet.html

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Default trike. Slow enough that you can smell the roses, and a pretty much unparalleled view. Doesn't have a fancy cockpit, but if looking out the window is more important that doesn't really matter. Doesn't cost you cent more either. If you want a little more cockpit, the A2A Cub, without question. Open the door and you can see down. Then there is the Milviz Sabre. It's got a low wing but it's well behind you and you're perched up high in a bubble canopy. Not glass though - 50s tech. Won't fly too well under 200kts either. And short field is erm... marginal. But it has a good view.

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My favorites GA singles.

 

RV-7 would be my top choice, it is my 'jack of all trades' GA plane, that it is speedy (good slow speed handling too), great STOL, aerobatic, good for IFR/VFR X-country. Great visibility from the cockpit, and the short wings don't block view too much. It's only 'downside' for me is that it has very fighter like sensitive controls, making hand flown instrument approaches a challenge. (not impossible tho, in fact good practice for high precision flying) The RV does have a simple autopilot to assist tho which is nice.

 

Legacy is also awesome, controls less sensitive than the RV make for great handflyer on instrument approaches. The Legacy is quite fast, good visibility great VC. It will get in to most GA airports, just not the real short ones more suited for the RV, Scout, Cub...etc

 

Classics Hangar BF-108. Vintage German beauty, great atmosphere in the cockpit, it feels like sitting in a vintage Mercedes. Great systems simulated specific to this airplane. Great STOL, cruises around 130-140kts

 

A2A Accusim Civil P-51, very fast, very deep systems, learn to properly operate and manage a big V-12. The Civil version doesn't have a gunsight, so visibility in flight is quite good actually. It is a warbird so it will keep you on your toes, but very rewarding plane to master. Airstrips under 2500' are challenging in the P-51.

 

C337 is one of Carenado's better creations, good FDE, nice visibility from cockpit, system depth not particularly deep, but still enjoyable to fly.

 

Alabeo Waco YMF is an excellent biplane with good FDE, and fun to fly.

 

 

 

As far as high wing vs low wing visibility, I find on average a lot of the low wings have better forward visibility while the high wings have better side. visibility

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This is great! I will definitely look into all these planes mentioned in this thread. Quick question for you GA flyers. When flying for scenic viewing, what's a good speed and altitude to fly at? I have been flying commercial airliners most of my time and haven't really gotten into GA flying much and I'm use to flying at FL030+ at speeds around Mach 0.70+. Do helicopters and GA pilots usually fly around the same altitudes? I'm guessing an altitude of 2000 ft and above and around a speed of 120kts?

 

Is GA and bush flying basically the same thing?

 

Thanks for everyone's input on here! I greatly appreciate it.

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This is great! I will definitely look into all these planes mentioned in this thread. Quick question for you GA flyers. When flying for scenic viewing, what's a good speed and altitude to fly at? I have been flying commercial airliners most of my time and haven't really gotten into GA flying much and I'm use to flying at FL030+ at speeds around Mach 0.70+. Do helicopters and GA pilots usually fly around the same altitudes? I'm guessing an altitude of 2000 ft and above and around a speed of 120kts?

 

Is GA and bush flying basically the same thing?

 

Thanks for everyone's input on here! I greatly appreciate it.

 

Totally depends on winds, turbulence, type of engine or how many etc

 

Helo's tend to fly 500 AGL up to 10,000 MSL depending on winds aloft.

 

Small piston planes about the same, of course there are rules for how low you can fly over populated areas.  But for sightseeing usually 1000 AGL as a minimum upwards to 10,500.  High performance props which usually are turbocharged like the Cirrus, Columbia (corvalis), Lancairs etc can go well into the teens and above but then require Oxygen.  Twins usually the same but they arent normally used for sightseeing as the wings and engines block the view.  But you're about right for most slow planes, Cessnas, Pipers, Beechcraft do anywhere from 500 AGl to 3000 AGL for sight seeing.

 

General aviation is basically anything other than airlines and air taxi services/hired services....  You can fly general aviation in a B747 or a Piper Cub.

 

Bush flying mostly would be like an air taxi service (used as transportation in Alaska or back country), but bush flying certainly can be part of GA.

 

I'd also go for the RV7... pretty fast (around 180 KTAS), very low stall speed (think short fields here), manueverable, and excellent vis with short stubby low wings.

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I like the Baytower RV7, or for low and slow, the RealAir Scout...

Ditto. These would have been my two favorites.

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The Baytower is fantastic! I fly an aircraft in real life that looks a lot like it, and it feels right the way the BayTower flies! One of the best GA in FSX. Too bad it seems the developer has stopped development of this or any other addon.

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I uploaded a plane some time back that might be worth looking at. It's a somewhat rare home-built design from the 70's known as the Mini-Imp. It has the visibility of a sailplane, but is able to cruise at around 180 mph at sea level. The model is highly detailed and includes 3d gauges.

 

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http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=171567

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C-172 or Cub good for vfr flying very forgiving. Sometimes just fly Carendo C-172 or SR-22 if speed and altitude is needed

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It's funny how most people think about high wing planes when they think about sight seeing. Imho a plane like the Legacy (with low wings and a canopy) is the best plane for sightseeing. It gives you a wide open panoramic view on everything! With high wings you never get such a wide open view. The problem with high wings is (according to me) that I can't really see the sky (which is also worth sightseeing) and I feel boxed in a tiny VC with a too low ceiling... I almost get claustrophobic. ;) Also when turning your view is blocked by the high wings which is very annoying during approaches/circuits and totally not suited for sightseeing (where you would make turns often).

 

I really get >10 times more feeling of FREEDOM and 'being able to see it all' with a low wing plane like the Legacy with a canopy! Yes, of course the low wings blocks the view straight down but not as much as you would think: you can see more then enough ahead of the wing.

 

I used to only buy planes with high wings because I am a sightseeing pilot, but not anymore: nowadays I never would buy a plane with high wings anymore! (I hardly buy planes btw because the Legacy offers all I need.)

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Well, there are pros and cons, obviously. Agree with your arguments, but anyway, I still think high wing aircraft is a little bit better for sight seeing. :smile:

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I'd recommend either the J3 (default or A2A with Accusim for a better experience) or the RealAir Legacy - so one high-wing, and one low-wing aircraft.

The Cub is great, because it is really slow, which is an advantage for that purpose, especially if you're about to go sightseeing in a city. On the other hand the high wings will limit your view when you need to turn, and you'll eventually have to turn to take a closer look or have a 360° view of a certain landmark.

The Legacy is nice, because it is quite fast, so it makes flights between distant landmarks/points of your interest more comfortable, besides it has a certain level of automation which gives you the opportunity to enjoy more of the scenery and concentrate less on the flying (since it's only a sim I guess it's OK to do that -_-).

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