I've been flying the NGX a little too much, to the point where I haven't used it in a week. *Gasp!* The upcoming release of the T7 has kept me from flying anything.

 

Ever since the first time I compared a NG to a T7 I always felt that the T7 was just a big NG, with less pilot input due to having everything automated. 

 

So my question is, how exactly is the T7 that different from the NGX, systems wise. They have the same displays, seems like the eicas is the only difference. Of course I'm getting the T7 regardless, but I just don't know what exactly people such as the beta testers mean when the T7 is "waaayyyy different" Besides the size and flight chars.

 

Thanks in advance

Well the ECL is a major difference in my opinion, the overhead panel to me looks much neater and more organized if i may say. Even the way you start the engines is different. There is so much more to say, but ill leave that for the experts.

Gday

 

 

So my question is, how exactly is the T7 that different from the NGX, systems wise.

 

It'll be mentioned in the Intro Manual, so I definitely suggest reading that, but some major differences:

• You have to be really careful with thrust on taxi, especially when light
• A lot of it is automatic (autostart, as an example, is different from the NGX start procedure)
• There's a lot less to do in configuration
• Cold and dark starts take forever in comparison
• ECL
• Transponder is a little different (no number roll over)
• It's longer, so you'll taxi a little differently
• At light weights, you can maintain V2+10/20 and hit VS of 6000ish without the plane flinching
• ...and more.

There is a reason the 777 does not share a common type rating with the 737. You can be sure it is not only the cockpit switches that are different.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

you will see quite a lot of differences in the FMC too. The Honeywell FMC in the 777 is very different from the Smiths FMC in the NG's in a number of subtle little ways.

Yes, I suggest watching Kyle's excellent video as he goes through the different systems. Excellent tutorial on its own that!

 

Kind regards

Just about everything is different when comparing the two.I don't think you can fly the T7 the same way one fly's the NG.

 

 

Yes, I suggest watching Kyle's excellent video as he goes through the different systems. Excellent tutorial on its own that!

 

haha - thanks!  A little verbose, but after people have been subjected to my posts here, I guess it wouldn't be too surprising when they see that video.

 

It'll be mentioned in the Intro Manual, so I definitely suggest reading that, but some major differences:

• You have to be really careful with thrust on taxi, especially when light
• A lot of it is automatic (autostart, as an example, is different from the NGX start procedure)
• There's a lot less to do in configuration
• Cold and dark starts take forever in comparison
• ECL
• Transponder is a little different (no number roll over)
• It's longer, so you'll taxi a little differently
• At light weights, you can maintain V2+10/20 and hit VS of 6000ish without the plane flinching
• ...and more.

 

Hey cool, 

 

i have a question about the take off: If i will fly this bird while the aircraft is very light, is it possible to reduce the takeoff and climb thrust in the FMC? I mean in most airlines we can choose between CLB 1 CLB2  or Takeoff1 Takeoff2. These are "derate" options. Is there a way to do this in the T7? I´m asking because i don´t really want to climb with about +4000ftp if the aircraft ist light^^. I mean it very cool but not really good for my passengers^^. 

You can use the Flex temp, to cut some power on the Engines while Takeoff, doing that, there's no need for climb at 4000ft/m or more

This can be do via FMC, like the NGX

Yes, you can de-rate, and double de-rate.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

 

 

If i will fly this bird while the aircraft is very light, is it possible to reduce the takeoff and climb thrust in the FMC? I mean in most airlines we can choose between CLB 1 CLB2  or Takeoff1 Takeoff2. These are "derate" options. Is there a way to do this in the T7?

 

Yes, just like with all other modern Boeing aircraft.

 

 

 

I´m asking because i don´t really want to climb with about +4000ftp if the aircraft ist light^^. I mean it very cool but not really good for my passengers^^. 

 

This is a simism, partially brought about by those ridiculous VA and "passenger" programs.  Vertical speed is not felt at all by your passengers.  At max, they feel the pressure changing a little faster than a slower climb, but even then, it's tough to notice.

 

Think of it this way:

When you're flying at 450 knots true airspeed, do you notice you're moving faster than 250 knots?

 

Nope.

 

Why?

 

Humans only feel accelerative forces.  These are things like turbulence, quick pitch changes, and quick rolls.

 

Get rid of this idea that V/S is a comfort factor.  It's not.

 

 

 

there's no need for climb at 4000ft/m or more

 

...see above.

Of course there are differences, but I think for most users, they will be quite subtle. If you can fly either, you will have absolutly no difficulty putting the other one exactly where you want it. I am open to correction here but with the possible exception of the EICAS, I do not think there are any changes in philosophy betwen the two cockpits as there would be in, for example, the MD-11 or an Airbus. I suspect that the the two cockpits will be much closer to each other then either would be to the 747. For this reason, I am really hoping the release will happen sooner rather then later, so that the PMDG team can get one with some interesting work like the DC-6 or the WoodPidgeon.

Yeah. I agree that watching Kyle's video(s) will give you a good insight. It is hard for me to list all of the differences of the NG vs 777 so I really suggest the video(s).  I also think that Kyle should continue to make tutorials as he seems to be able to articulate everything in a fashion that everyone can understand B)

I'd say the 777 is much closer in relation to the 744, than it is to the 737NG... And not just because both cockpits are brown.