Well, I think it's far above wilcos standards, and It is the best ERJ series out there in my opinion

Well, I think it's far above wilcos standards, and It is the best ERJ series out there in my opinion

 

 

I don't have it but I have heard it's good.  Not PMDG level of simulation but good

Wilco/feel there have made an excellent ERJ series

 

Most people here are probably too young to remember, but Wilco will never get a dime of my money.

 

-jean paul

Aerosoft is slightly below my exacting standards, which is why I own it (to see what it was like), but don't fly it (after seeing what it is like).

 

FSlabs is doing their A320, and I trust Lefteris enough to get the job done right, the Concorde showed that FSlabs knows how. I think they are the most likely to develop an A320/330/340 that I'd consider good enough to muscle it's way into the "used as much as NGX/777/747v2" fleet.

 

A380 and A350 have very similar looking cockpits too (which look very different to the A340/A330/A320).

 

Personally, considering that PMDG have a standing agreement of sorts with Boeing, access to actual documents, sims, software etc, I think a 787 would be potentially easier than other aircraft, but there's nothing stopping them going to Airbus and asking for a similar type of deal. They might need to send someone to Toulouse who speaks French or something, or just use other sources such as airlines like FSlabs is... but there are options out there.

 

(Obviously it's gonna be hard to get hard data on an A350, even harder than the 787, which has been a consideration as to why PMDG aren't jumping straight into the "787 is confirmed after the 747v2 and 777-variations and Service Packs.)

 

Of course some people think anything that vaguely resembles any given aircraft is 'good enough', but for me, PMDG and Majestic Software (and to an extent Realair with the RealityXP GNS530/430 Unlimited installed) are the only real contenders. The rest tend to just take up space on my Aircraft Selection screen without seeing the light of day.

 

The Aerosoft is in that latter category because it doesn't really fly like an Airbus. That MCDU just doesn't quite cut it.

The E190 from Feelthere tied me over while the NGX didn't exist yet... but as soon as it did, it got retired off the harddrive.

 

And although the LDS767 (and PIC767 before it) was once 'the only' aircraft that met my standards, it finally got too old (graphically, the 3D cockpit lacking functionality such as no FMS without popup etc) and it too has got the "no longer on HDD" chop.

 

ERJ135/145 managed to survive the chop, but hasn't been used for months. It's very close to being culled and it's route structure being absorbed by the Q400 and NGX.

 

So an overview of my fleet shows a couple of developing holes in coverage.

 

A320 - Aerosoft not good enough for my standards. May be filled by FSlabs in future. Will be best deployed in Europe, especially scenery areas England, Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Austria which I have extensive payware scenery for, and which sees lots of Vatsim action. Priority: High. 

Intrim - Use NGX on 737 routes where possible or fictional "Charter" routes if required. Prefer not to use fictional liveries, so tend to run lots of Jet2, Transavia etc. A320 seem more common on the big connection routes between capitals in Europe.

When a suitable A320 such as FSlabs is deployed, routes from BAW, EZY, DLH, AFR, etc will be realistically deployable.

 

A330 - None known on the horizon, FSlabs very far off and not confirmed. Considering "Aerosoft" isn't up to my exacting standards, this isn't an option. Lesser products even less so. A330 would be deployed for Qantas routes to SE Asia, Perth, Melbourne, Trans Atlantic flying, Is a favourite aircraft type. Not expected to be available for many years. 777 has most routes covered. Will be better when 777-300ER and -200ER are available.

 

4 engine long range Jet - PMDG 747v2. V1 is old and due for retirement. Many routes able to be covered by 777. Qantas don't own 777. A340 not common and out of production now. A380 would be nice, but FSlabs will be taking several years per aircraft, and working up from A320, so long long away.

 

Regional Jet - Feelthere E190 not up to my personal standard. Others not available or up to standard. Personally covered by Q400, but having an actual jet up to Majestic or PMDG standard will be better.

 

Corporate/Private jet: Flight1 Cessna Mustang not up to standards. Citation X better, but still lacking IMO. Gulfstream don't like simmers, BBJ is a 737, so not useful for smaller airports. (The type of airports you see C152's doing touch and goes at).

 

Light piston twins and singles - Pretty convincingly covered by Realair, and A2A offerings now. Having a G1000 or similar with synthetic vision implemented is sorely missing and could tie into the Corporate Jet category too. RealityXP GNS530 Unlimited is very good. Having a single G1000 developed and then deployed on several aircraft in Single, Twin and Small Private Jet would be really great. Properly implemented. Runways on PFD type of implemented.

 

As it happens there's only around 3 developers who have put out aircraft addons that I have actually liked enough to keep using on a regular basis. and maybe 4 or 5 that I'd trust to put out a product that would meet my exacting standards to join the 'regularly used' fleet. Hundreds of developers could put out A380's tomorrow, and if it wasn't one of those 5, I'd have to be very pleasantly surprised by reviews and, perhaps most importantly, videos on youtube of people actually using the aircraft, to add that developer to my list of "good enough to buy" developers.

Maybe I should talk Ryan into doing a proper full G1000 with Synthetic in a DA40/42 - surely that's a weekend job?! LOL. That'd be so nice! Only GA aircraft I own are the SR22 by Carenado and a PA28 Archer by a company I cannot remember. I'm definitely in the market for a new GA aircraft. A2A are tempting me with their 172...

Luke,

 

go with the temptaition. It is worth every cent.

 

Maybe I should talk Ryan into doing a proper full G1000 with Synthetic in a DA40/42 - surely that's a weekend job?

 

hah - I'd certainly appreciate it.  A2A covered my other normal trusty steed.

(PS - Do it.  It's worth the money.  Some of the sounds are off to the trained ear, but not enough for me to get too upset about it.  The rest of it is stellar.)

Personally I would like to see more regional jets or corporate.  I don't see PMDG doing anything like that any time soon.  Everyone seems to want long haul tube liners so it makes sense for them to make what the market wants.  I would however love to see a 757.  It covers both the short and long haul segment.

I honestly have to say the Airbus series by Aerosoft is a lite simulation. It definitely does not compare to what an Airbus really is like.

 

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement there, fellow. Are you an Airbus-airline pilot ? If you're not then, och.

Aerosoft is slightly below my exacting standards, which is why I own it (to see what it was like), but don't fly it (after seeing what it is like).

 

FSlabs is doing their A320, and I trust Lefteris enough to get the job done right, the Concorde showed that FSlabs knows how. I think they are the most likely to develop an A320/330/340 that I'd consider good enough to muscle it's way into the "used as much as NGX/777/747v2" fleet.

 

A380 and A350 have very similar looking cockpits too (which look very different to the A340/A330/A320).

 

Personally, considering that PMDG have a standing agreement of sorts with Boeing, access to actual documents, sims, software etc, I think a 787 would be potentially easier than other aircraft, but there's nothing stopping them going to Airbus and asking for a similar type of deal. They might need to send someone to Toulouse who speaks French or something, or just use other sources such as airlines like FSlabs is... but there are options out there.

 

(Obviously it's gonna be hard to get hard data on an A350, even harder than the 787, which has been a consideration as to why PMDG aren't jumping straight into the "787 is confirmed after the 747v2 and 777-variations and Service Packs.)

 

Of course some people think anything that vaguely resembles any given aircraft is 'good enough', but for me, PMDG and Majestic Software (and to an extent Realair with the RealityXP GNS530/430 Unlimited installed) are the only real contenders. The rest tend to just take up space on my Aircraft Selection screen without seeing the light of day.

 

The Aerosoft is in that latter category because it doesn't really fly like an Airbus. That MCDU just doesn't quite cut it.

The E190 from Feelthere tied me over while the NGX didn't exist yet... but as soon as it did, it got retired off the harddrive.

 

And although the LDS767 (and PIC767 before it) was once 'the only' aircraft that met my standards, it finally got too old (graphically, the 3D cockpit lacking functionality such as no FMS without popup etc) and it too has got the "no longer on HDD" chop.

 

ERJ135/145 managed to survive the chop, but hasn't been used for months. It's very close to being culled and it's route structure being absorbed by the Q400 and NGX.

 

So an overview of my fleet shows a couple of developing holes in coverage.

 

A320 - Aerosoft not good enough for my standards. May be filled by FSlabs in future. Will be best deployed in Europe, especially scenery areas England, Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Austria which I have extensive payware scenery for, and which sees lots of Vatsim action. Priority: High. 

Intrim - Use NGX on 737 routes where possible or fictional "Charter" routes if required. Prefer not to use fictional liveries, so tend to run lots of Jet2, Transavia etc. A320 seem more common on the big connection routes between capitals in Europe.

When a suitable A320 such as FSlabs is deployed, routes from BAW, EZY, DLH, AFR, etc will be realistically deployable.

 

A330 - None known on the horizon, FSlabs very far off and not confirmed. Considering "Aerosoft" isn't up to my exacting standards, this isn't an option. Lesser products even less so. A330 would be deployed for Qantas routes to SE Asia, Perth, Melbourne, Trans Atlantic flying, Is a favourite aircraft type. Not expected to be available for many years. 777 has most routes covered. Will be better when 777-300ER and -200ER are available.

 

4 engine long range Jet - PMDG 747v2. V1 is old and due for retirement. Many routes able to be covered by 777. Qantas don't own 777. A340 not common and out of production now. A380 would be nice, but FSlabs will be taking several years per aircraft, and working up from A320, so long long away.

 

Regional Jet - Feelthere E190 not up to my personal standard. Others not available or up to standard. Personally covered by Q400, but having an actual jet up to Majestic or PMDG standard will be better.

 

Corporate/Private jet: Flight1 Cessna Mustang not up to standards. Citation X better, but still lacking IMO. Gulfstream don't like simmers, BBJ is a 737, so not useful for smaller airports. (The type of airports you see C152's doing touch and goes at).

 

Light piston twins and singles - Pretty convincingly covered by Realair, and A2A offerings now. Having a G1000 or similar with synthetic vision implemented is sorely missing and could tie into the Corporate Jet category too. RealityXP GNS530 Unlimited is very good. Having a single G1000 developed and then deployed on several aircraft in Single, Twin and Small Private Jet would be really great. Properly implemented. Runways on PFD type of implemented.

 

As it happens there's only around 3 developers who have put out aircraft addons that I have actually liked enough to keep using on a regular basis. and maybe 4 or 5 that I'd trust to put out a product that would meet my exacting standards to join the 'regularly used' fleet. Hundreds of developers could put out A380's tomorrow, and if it wasn't one of those 5, I'd have to be very pleasantly surprised by reviews and, perhaps most importantly, videos on youtube of people actually using the aircraft, to add that developer to my list of "good enough to buy" developers.

 

So, would it be safe to say that either you are an Airbus pilot or knows at atleast 98% of how an Airbus functions in the real world for you to say that the current Aerosoft Airbus is not to YOUR standards? Or are you just speaking out of sensationalism ?

 

So, would it be safe to say that either you are an Airbus pilot or knows at atleast 98% of how an Airbus functions in the real world for you to say that the current Aerosoft Airbus is not to YOUR standards? Or are you just speaking out of sensationalism ?

 

I'm speaking out of the fact that I own it, and don't like it. And not just because it's an airbus (ever since I jumpseated an A320 (VH-HYL) in late 2000 I'v loved Airbus ) but due to some odd design decisions Aerosoft made (Right clicks to 'deselect' spring-loaded buttons? really? First officer's MCDU? Really? VNAV profile? Really? Drag Co-efficient of a brick? Really?)

 

No matter, I'm patient enough to wait for FSlabs, even if I have to wait till 2016.

If PMDG released an A380/350 series the rest of my airliner fleet will be permanently parked, the 350 really does make the 777 look like an old school plane.

Aerosoft is slightly below my exacting standards, which is why I own it (to see what it was like), but don't fly it (after seeing what it is like).

 

FSlabs is doing their A320, and I trust Lefteris enough to get the job done right, the Concorde showed that FSlabs knows how. I think they are the most likely to develop an A320/330/340 that I'd consider good enough to muscle it's way into the "used as much as NGX/777/747v2" fleet.

I know Lefteris knows what he's doing, but the FSL Concorde owes a huge amount to the preceding SSTSIM Concorde for FS9. We don't know for sure what a clean sheet of paper FSL addon will be like.

 

A380 and A350 have very similar looking cockpits too (which look very different to the A340/A330/A320).

These two are indeed quite different in layout and need some attention from a serious developer.

 

Personally, considering that PMDG have a standing agreement of sorts with Boeing, access to actual documents, sims, software etc, I think a 787 would be potentially easier than other aircraft, but there's nothing stopping them going to Airbus and asking for a similar type of deal. They might need to send someone to Toulouse who speaks French or something, or just use other sources such as airlines like FSlabs is... but there are options out there.

 

(Obviously it's gonna be hard to get hard data on an A350, even harder than the 787, which has been a consideration as to why PMDG aren't jumping straight into the "787 is confirmed after the 747v2 and 777-variations and Service Packs.)

Believe me, Airbus speak English very well. It's a little silly to bring language into this and PMDG could relate to Airbus just as easily as they do to Boeing. It actually might be easier to get data for the A350. Boeing have very demanding requirements on people needing to use 787 data. It's a major undertaking getting an agreement with them for it.

 

Of course some people think anything that vaguely resembles any given aircraft is 'good enough', but for me, PMDG and Majestic Software (and to an extent Realair with the RealityXP GNS530/430 Unlimited installed) are the only real contenders. The rest tend to just take up space on my Aircraft Selection screen without seeing the light of day.

 

The Aerosoft is in that latter category because it doesn't really fly like an Airbus. That MCDU just doesn't quite cut it.

The E190 from Feelthere tied me over while the NGX didn't exist yet... but as soon as it did, it got retired off the harddrive.

I agree about Aerosoft, but did you never try the BBS Airbus? I still fly the feelthere E-jets because they are about they are very good. Not deep, no failures, but systems function well enough to drive the flightdeck displays well. The only problem is the bug in the FD which you have to live with.

 

A330 - None known on the horizon, FSlabs very far off and not confirmed. Considering "Aerosoft" isn't up to my exacting standards, this isn't an option. Lesser products even less so. A330 would be deployed for Qantas routes to SE Asia, Perth, Melbourne, Trans Atlantic flying, Is a favourite aircraft type. Not expected to be available for many years. 777 has most routes covered. Will be better when 777-300ER and -200ER are available.

None on the horizon? BBS have one out already. It's not complete yet but it is more than usable.

 

Personally I find the BBS Airbuses to be more serious and functional than the Aerosoft Airbus X. The latest A320 version is really quite good. Still some holes to fill in the development but it's coming along nicely.

 

The FSL A320 will be a milestone product, when they actually finish it. It's been in development in one way or another since PMDG first announced an Airbus family, and then Lefteris left.  After the A320 they may work their way through the various A32x family members and might eventually start an A330. Please will someone bypass this well worn path and begin with the current generation of products, the A380 in particular, then the A350. It doesn't have to be PMDG (they don't have time to do everything at once).

airbus is not gonna happen in the near future, what part of that don't you people understand!!

This is starting to turn into the numerous wx radar/taxi cam requests.

This discussion was done already. Perform a search before restarting the exact same discussions over, and over, and over....

 

PMDG already gave their response on this.

The lineup for upcoming products is already set and underway, and an A380 is not one of them.

Neither is the A320, or the 757, or the 787.

 

Does no one even use the search feature these days?

All this information already exists out there. 

Digital Aviation is making one already, currently in beta testing. It should be good. 

 

Where did you get this information from? DA never finished the Fokker let alone the CRJ.