November 13, 201411 yr When P3D starts modifying the FDE to allow the replication of stalls in steep turns I will then call P3D a "simulator" and not a "game". I don't allow my students to practice basic flying skills on any flight simulator. I don't want them killing themselves doing 45 degree turns onto final approach at slow speed and then wondering why the aircraft stalls and they end up spinning into the ground. Bring on a super configurable new FDE! Chillblast Core i5 14600KF Liquid Cooled RTX 4070 SUPER 32GB RAM. Internet: 1 Gig Fibre. HoneyComb Throttle & Flight System. UK PPL since 2006 current on PA-28, C-152, C172, Decathlon, C-42 based at EGHP.
November 14, 201411 yr Does any other sim or X plane 10 simulate this? Surely - DCS World ( p51d, tf51d or Fw190 ), IL2 Cliffs of Dover with the Team Fusion Patches, IL2 Battle of Stalingrad... Probably Rise of Flight too... But I believe you have that too at least in the best add-on aircraft for XP10 and FSX? At least as far as the core FDM allows it too, but still plausible... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
November 14, 201411 yr Commercial Member When P3D starts modifying the FDE to allow the replication of stalls in steep turns I will then call P3D a "simulator" and not a "game". I don't allow my students to practice basic flying skills on any flight simulator. I don't want them killing themselves doing 45 degree turns onto final approach at slow speed and then wondering why the aircraft stalls and they end up spinning into the ground. Bring on a super configurable new FDE! I have done exactly this numerous times in FSX.... Jonathan "FRAG" Bleeker Formerly known here as "Narutokun" If I speak for my company without permission the boss will nail me down. So unless otherwise specified...Im just a regular simmer who expresses his personal opinion
November 14, 201411 yr I don't allow my students to practice basic flying skills on any flight simulator. I don't want them killing themselves doing 45 degree turns onto final approach at slow speed and then wondering why the aircraft stalls and they end up spinning into the ground. The Alabeo Tomahawk does this in both XPX and P3D. I'm sure there are others.
November 14, 201411 yr I have done exactly this numerous times in FSX.... The Alabeo Tomahawk does this in both XPX and P3D. I'm sure there are others. How is that possible when it isn't modelled in the FSX FDE? I am talking about the stall speed increasing as the angle of turn tightens - as in real life. A "gotcha" which has killed lots of novice pilots in the past. Chillblast Core i5 14600KF Liquid Cooled RTX 4070 SUPER 32GB RAM. Internet: 1 Gig Fibre. HoneyComb Throttle & Flight System. UK PPL since 2006 current on PA-28, C-152, C172, Decathlon, C-42 based at EGHP.
November 14, 201411 yr I am talking about the stall speed increasing as the angle of turn tightens - as in real life. A "gotcha" which has killed lots of novice pilots in the past. Isn't this what you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumnit13r80
November 14, 201411 yr Isn't this what you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumnit13r80 I don't think this video speaks for FSX. The point is that in turns the stall speed increases with the bank angle, because the greater the bank angle, the more Gs have to be pulled. In the video the indicated speed looks rather low, I think it should have stalled at a higher indicated airspeed.
November 14, 201411 yr The point is that in turns the stall speed increases with the bank angle, because the greater the bank angle, the more Gs have to be pulled. It's not nrcessary to pull more Gs in banked flight. Gerry Howard
November 14, 201411 yr As a matter of fact I was about to post that indeed this type of accident is more prone to happen when shallow turns are used then with more banked turns. I've seen a glider flip on it's back and enter a spin on such an occasion. All happens way too fast, and at the distance from the ground on the base leg, it's almost impossible to come out of such a situation without crashing :-/ http://flighttraining.aopa.org/students/presolo/skills/turns.html Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
November 14, 201411 yr It's not nrcessary to pull more Gs in banked flight. I was talking about turns, and when you don't want to loose a lot of height, than the same amount of elevator deflection as compared to a wings level attitude, will result in a higher G situation which increases the stall speed. http://www.caa.govt.nz/fig/advanced-manoeuvres/steep-turns.html http://turbineair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Bank-Angle-vs-stall-speed-2013.pdf
November 14, 201411 yr I was talking about turns, and when you don't want to loose a lot of height, It's also possible increase the elevator deflection in straight flight - they are all the same effect. Gerry Howard
November 14, 201411 yr Commercial Member I was talking about turns, and when you don't want to loose a lot of height, than the same amount of elevator deflection as compared to a wings level attitude, will result in a higher G situation which increases the stall speed. http://www.caa.govt.nz/fig/advanced-manoeuvres/steep-turns.html http://turbineair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Bank-Angle-vs-stall-speed-2013.pdf Don't argue with Gerry... you can't win... just simply walk away. He is the singular person I have on ignore on the entire internet. Ed Wilson Mindstar AviationMy Playland - I69
November 15, 201411 yr Don't argue with Gerry... you can't win... just simply walk away. He is the singular person I have on ignore on the entire internet. But I was said is correct and if I'm on ignore why are reading me? Gerry Howard
November 15, 201411 yr How is that possible when it isn't modelled in the FSX FDE? Stall speed is fixed in FSX? Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
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