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I am at a continual loss with P3D. After a complete reinstall of Windows and FSX, I thought that perhaps now would be a great time to see if I could get P3D to actually work properly, once and for all.  After two previous installs to try and get this sim to work properly, I have to admit defeat. I STILL can't get Vsync to work properly. I have tried so many combinations with Nvid insp, without Nvid insp, different cfg settings, with and without cfg entries, with Aero on and with Aero off, that I've gone dizzy. I forgot to add, I've tried different drivers too. I've also tried D3D overrider, which I thought would have cured the problem, but without success. The last straw was last night, after two hours it still would not work and this was on top of spending the same amount of time trying to get my Hotas Warthog to function that did so previously! I've had it I'm afraid. I've gone back to FSX and until which time LM can produce a sim that works properly with Vsync then, that's where I'll stay. Unless anyone knows differently and can offer some magical solution :(

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Have you tried asking on the Lockheed Martin P3D forum?  They are usually very helpful.  Also without knowing how your rig is set up it is not really possdible to give you any advice.  All I can say is that P3D works fine for me on my machine and I never use FSX anymore.

 

Jason Kirk

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I really wonder why it works for so many of us and you can't get it work. LM support forum is a good location for your problems to solve.

Spirit

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Thanks fellas, sure, it's only because I hang around Avsim on a daily basis that this has been my first port of call. I'll head over to P3D forum and see if I can get any joy there, cheers.

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Howard first things first ... P3D is not FSX.

 

Install outside Program Files directory, no malware/anti-virus, run as Administrator etc. etc. but with Warthog totally disconnected.

 

Connect Warthog.

 

Run P3D.

 

Do nothing. Enjoy the flying experience. Do nothing. Enjoy the flying experience.  Do nothing. Enjoy the flying experience.  Turn on shadows. Really enjoy the flying experience.  :rolleyes:

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Howard first things first ... P3D is not FSX.

 

Install outside Program Files directory, no malware/anti-virus, run as Administrator etc. etc. but with Warthog totally disconnected.

 

Connect Warthog.

 

Run P3D.

 

Do nothing. Enjoy the flying experience. Do nothing. Enjoy the flying experience.  Do nothing. Enjoy the flying experience.  Turn on shadows. Really enjoy the flying experience.  :rolleyes:

Yep, all done previously with no positive result...

 

P3D on separate SSD from OS

No AV installed

Firewall turned off

Installed and started with Admin

 

I'm beginning to wonder whether my Dell 30" display, which runs at 2560x1600 has, for some reason, an ill effect...

 

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From my experience with P3D, they have a lot of work to do with their new graphics engine to get it as efficient as FSX is.  I have a 42" HDTV as a monitor and it shows every stutter in vivid detail.  P3D has stated that they're working on efficiency in their next release.  I'm glad to hear that.  For now, I fly in FSX and keep my eye tuned to the P3D posts for new ideas to try them out. 

 

Gregg

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While lots of people have P3D working to their satisfaction, lots of others don't. I have know idea why. I have tons of simulator experience but I have never gotten P3D to work as well for me as it obviously does for others. I have done everything suggested in the LM forums as well as here, plus used the "tuning tips" in the LM folder. It's a mystery. But then I use add-ons in FSX with no issues that others report as buggy, so I do understand that experiences vary between users of identical products.

 

I will keep trying every new patch until it "sings" for me like it does for people who really love it, but until then I have returned to FSX for 95% of my flying.

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How did you manage to send the same post five times between 10.09 and 09.02 hours this morning?

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Yep I got 5 posts as well none of which explained what your problem is.  I have plenty of my own, like lights on aircraft functioning when they want, not when I want, lights coming on when I hit the afterburner and most disturbing are contrails that go out a few hundred feet and then drop to touch earth  both on my aurcraft and ai aircraft..  Oh yes and whereas the patch once allowed me to save a flight it now CTDs when I try .

 

So we all have problems and no I removed FSX so I wouldn't be tempted to give up.

 

Jim

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Thanks for all the replies fellas, appreciated...

 

 

Hi Howard,

I feel your pain. There may be one more option for you to consider before you throw in the towel:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/443715-stutter-adaptive-vsync-could-offer-a-solution/#entry3002624

Best of luck, I'll keep my fingers and toes crossed for you. This may not be the actual holy grail but, for me, it comes pretty darn close.

Regards,
Mike

 

Hi Mike, sure, interesting post, but guess what... no joy. I fear I am destined to never experience P3D as it was intended. My only hope, like many others, is for LM to fix this in the 2.3 update. Thanks anyway, cheers.

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H iHoward:

 

Have you followed my guide - P3D blows fsx away - there is no reason its shouldn't work for you also - are you running multiple monitors, I would not as that will kill performance

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...... - there is no reason its shouldn't work for you also - .....

Well, one never know. Maybe he's something like the "Princess and the pea"???? :lol:

Spirit

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It is worth perservering Howard. I was about to email for a refund but after tweaking from Richard's thread and watching this video 

from frooglesim I have got P3D to run nicely with no stutters WITHOUT cloud shadowing. Cloud shadows kill my FPS and bring back micro stutters but I can live without them. The rest looks so much better than FSX.

 

For info the biggest difference came when I switched V SYNC on in the sim, capped FPS to 35 and also ticked TRIPLE BUFFERING (as in the above video). I don't use Nvidia Inspector at all.

 

Best of luck!

 

Adam

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I'm beginning to wonder whether my Dell 30" display, which runs at 2560x1600 has, for some reason, an ill effect...

 

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That would be a shame because thats a nice monitor but you really need to borrow a basic monitor from some one and test it, you may as well since you have tried everything else, good luck!

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I've gone back to FSX and until which time LM can produce a sim that works properly with Vsync then, that's where I'll stay. Unless anyone knows differently and can offer some magical solution

 

Vsync works perfectly for me, do you happen to be running two monitors at different resolutions ?

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PC hardware description is calling out 2 other 19" monitors - the reason why I asked if He has tried to get it up and running with only one monitor for starters 

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Vsync works perfectly for me, do you happen to be running two monitors at different resolutions ?

 

Hmm, yup, I have. The 30"@2560x1600 and a side monitor for instruments which is a 17", unsure what resolution (1440 x ?) I had Vsync issues with the two monitors when used with DX10, but it was sorted by introducing D3D Overrider, but this seems to have no effect for me in P3D.

 

EDIT: I've just done a test with the second monitor disabled and there's no change whatsoever!

H iHoward:

 

Have you followed my guide - P3D blows fsx away - there is no reason its shouldn't work for you also - are you running multiple monitors, I would not as that will kill performance

 

Where is your guide Rich?

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I run two monitors - 28" at 1920 and 24" at 1440. I use the big monitor for P3D and the second for PlanG, ASN and other programs. Absolutely NO problem with Vsync. Using the new 300 series drivers 3xx.88.

 

My system NEVER had FSX installed - wonder how many people WITH issues have FSX installed also versus not.

 

Don't give up Howard - when you succeed (and you WILL) - the reward is breathtaking. Flying the A2A Cherokee with ASN weather in ORBX Northern California scenery is sim heaven.

 

FWIW, I actually did return P3D then decided to give it "one mo try" - have NEVER looked back.

 

Vic

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Howard 1/2 refresh rate vsync doesn't work in P3d (yet). Unless you keep 60fps all the time, you see those stutters, it's perfectly normal. So, you're not doing anything wrong. P3d can never be as smooth as fsx without this feature. I don't understand people claiming no stutters below 60fps. It's there and if you can't see them it means you've problem with your eyes.  

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I don't understand people claiming no stutters below 60fps. It's there and if you can't see them it means you've problem with your eyes.

 

Maybe a problem with your eyes, have you thought about that possibility ?

 

I have no VSync issues at all on my 27" dell with GTX570 using TrackIr.

No screen tearing or stutters, so it is possible.

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Maybe a problem with your eyes, have you thought about that possibility ?

 

I have no VSync issues at all on my 27" dell with GTX570 using TrackIr.

No screen tearing or stutters, so it is possible.

Yeah, my word for your word, blah blah blah. Show me a single video without stutters then I'll believe you. Every video I've seen so far stuttering more or less, even froogle's last video.

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