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Are you going to buy the CS777 for $30 or keep waiting for PMDG's new LM EULA?

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Bummer <_< 

 

I really don't know if I should buy the CS777 for P3Dv2 or keep waiting for this new agreement between the two parties to be in effect.

 

What are you going to do or how much longer will you wait it out?

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The CS777 (FSX) version has been on their 9.99/24h sales before.

 

Would like to know whether we'll see the P3Dv2 version in an upcoming sale, as well. (Next CS sale, though, will be their Tristar/FSX for me.)

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Oh if the CS777 base 200LR for P3dv2 goes up for $10 %100....I just didnt want to had already payed $90 for pmdg's and now $30 for the base + $10 for expansion and then in a month from now I see that PMDG's is available for P3D v2 and then paying another $90 for that license.

 

That would suck  <_<

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I plan on purchasing Captain Sim's 777.  I like the modeling of Captain Sim better than PMDG.

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Oh if the CS777 base 200LR for P3dv2 goes up for $10 %100....I just didnt want to had already payed $90 for pmdg's and now $30 for the base + $10 for expansion and then in a month from now I see that PMDG's is available for P3D v2 and then paying another $90 for that license.

 

That would suck  <_<

 

 

You will be lucky to see PMDG in P3D in a year - a month thats never going to happen

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Oh if the CS777 base 200LR for P3dv2 goes up for $10 %100....I just didnt want to had already payed $90 for pmdg's and now $30 for the base + $10 for expansion and then in a month from now I see that PMDG's is available for P3D v2 and then paying another $90 for that license.

 

That would suck  <_<

 

I think the PMDG T7 in P3D would cost more than $90 as they said it would have to be priced differently but im cool with that as im using fsx as a sole NGX sim while im waiting for that to be in P3D then i will throw my money at them as the T7 is a little to big for me plus i dont really have the time to do long haul.

 

The next 24 hour sale that CS will have should be around Christmas time or the new year.

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How good is the CS 777? I feel deprived of the 777 in P3D. Even if its only half good as the PMDG, I may consider it

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How good is the CS 777? I feel deprived of the 777 in P3D. Even if its only half good as the PMDG, I may consider it

 

 

Its great  :good: not quite pmdg - but who knows how long before pmdg will be on board with P3D 

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but who knows how long before pmdg will be on board with P3D 

 

Well they said by the end of the year in their latest update lol....that means around 7 months from now. That's a long time. and lets be honest it will probably be a lot longer. 

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Well they said by the end of the year in their latest update lol....that means around 7 months from now. That's a long time. and lets be honest it will probably be a lot longer. 

 

I agree - everything pmdg has done has taken a lot longer and I mean a lot longer than anticipated

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The P3D CS 777 is currently half price at 30€ so it's still excellent value (I caved in).

Made the mistake of loading it up at Sacramento airport in FTX NCA and wished I hadn't as frames were down into the teens!

It'll probably be fine with just FTX Global though, must give her a spin soon.

^_^

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PDMG sales must be dropping through the floor with so many folks moving over the PD3d.   Who would spend $90 today on a plane solely for us in dying FSX?   

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PDMG sales must be dropping through the floor with so many folks moving over the PD3d.   Who would spend $90 today on a plane solely for us in dying FSX?   

 

This is an excellent question.  Also with the VRS TP Rhino.  FSX is a dead end.  Developers need to be after LM to change their EULA for P3D and provide reasonably priced products for it.  The PMDG 777 was the LAST FSX product I will ever buy.

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This is an excellent question.  Also with the VRS TP Rhino.  FSX is a dead end.  Developers need to be after LM to change their EULA for P3D and provide reasonably priced products for it.  The PMDG 777 was the LAST FSX product I will ever buy.

 

Same here Chris no more BS & messing around with a dead horse fsx is - not to mention P3D blows it away and its not even finished yet - happy days

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I plan on purchasing Captain Sim's 777.  I like the modeling of Captain Sim better than PMDG.

 

That's like saying you prefer lutefisk over lobster. 

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One thing I'm not understanding is how PMDG has to charge soooooo much more for the P3D versions of their products. Many addon companies have simply provided new installers to their customers, or released a new P3D capable version for the same price or slightly more if fixes/updates were included.

 

PMDG keeps saying the price will be through the roof, but I don't get how that works, given so many other developers have lower prices.

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One thing I'm not understanding is how PMDG has to charge soooooo much more for the P3D versions of their products. Many addon companies have simply provided new installers to their customers, or released a new P3D capable version for the same price or slightly more if fixes/updates were included.

 

PMDG keeps saying the price will be through the roof, but I don't get how that works, given so many other developers have lower prices.

 

 

Its actually the cost of doing business in P3D world (licensing and such) - They will pass some of this cost onto us - thats kind of it in a nutshell other than some changes for it to work in P3D which I dont think would be much

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Of course it is Edwards.  It's an opinion!

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Rich,

 

"Its actually the cost of doing business in P3D world (licensing and such) - They will pass some of this cost onto us"

 

How do other payware provide their P3D products for free?

 

Like, pay for the FSX product and get the P3D version free update...

 

Same type of deals for quality scenery.

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Rich,

 

"Its actually the cost of doing business in P3D world (licensing and such) - They will pass some of this cost onto us"

 

How do other payware provide their P3D products for free?

 

Like, pay for the FSX product and get the P3D version free update...

 

Same type of deals for quality scenery.

 

Hi Vaughan I think because due to the complexity of the product and the way it will be used on the P3D platform warrants and up cost as PMDG will incur a cost on Their end - as for scenery there is no licensing involved hence no up charge

 

(remember this is a training platform and when you have the most accurate aircraft and all of the legalities involved using it in a training platform the rules change) just my thoughts on it

 

 In the end I dont think it will be a major cost for Our use but high end 737 - 777 training schools will pay much more and they should as they are making money off Their students 

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There was another commercial member that once said that he/she had contacted LM about the license cost. LM came back and said that there was no substantial fee to cause a higher price for a P3D version over a similarly prices FSX one. 

I'll take that with some assumption that it is true, but I personally think the added cost might be just because the face that PMDG planes in FSX are sold as a game, entertainment, just for sh*ts and giggles, etc.. We as enthusiasts take it seriously, but FSX is still just a platform for entertainment.

Where as P3D is a professional, academic, and commercial tool. There is a bit more weight and liability there that PMDG might be wanting to cover through the pricing. I wonder if there is something involving their Boeing Cert. that also makes PMDG have to price their P3D planes differently for a professional/commercial product vs. an entertainment product.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Academic license is priced with the FSX version. I don't by any means recommend this or hope people are not dishonest and do this because it would be a breach of the license, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Academic one would install onto any P3D version if you bought that for your professional P3D version.

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The CS 777 isn't a bad deal. For craps and giggles, I found a noted AVSIM user's PMDG 777 tutorial and followed it with the CS 777 to see how they compared and if the CS lacked anything in any major, discernable way. My conclusion is that, given the price of a P3D-compatible product, it's not a bad deal.

 

Having said that, I'm a bit worn out with the issues I encounter with CS products generally (EPR not accurately working in older Boeings), activation problems galore, poor customer service, etc.

 

Unique to the 777, I can't ever get the thing to 100% line up with the localizer and hence autolands are well off the centerline. The frame rates in the VC aren't great although this can be alleviated by lowering the resolution of all of the CRTs in the cockpit (go into the panel.cfg and halve the pixel resolutions of all of the VC windows). I also think it only has half the number of correct fix pages so that your ETOPS planning can get hairy.

 

It's a cool plane and I want to like it but, like every plane CS has made, it's not finished. I understand the concept of funding your beta and development stages but the whole model of charging for unfinished planes is getting old (I'm not plopping $60+ for the 0.60 or 0.80 BBS A330 either)...

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My understanding is Pmg is looking at P3D. Probably like me awaiting the 64 bit platform

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My understanding is Pmg is looking at P3D. Probably like me awaiting the 64 bit platform

Ah no 32 bit will be in the future - if they are waiting for 64 they may not still be in business 

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Tons of conjecture in this thread that has nothing to do with the "Should I buy CS777 or PMDG777?" 

 

A. We do not know pricing for any P3D PMDG products simply because they do not exist yet.  As such, it is meaningless to make any assumptions regarding this point

 

B. We do not have access to market data regarding flight simulator sales that would be indicative of a mass exodus from FSX to P3D.  As such, it is meaningless to make any assumptions regarding this point

 

Now regarding the actual topic... Is CS777 worth it?  It is hugely enjoyable, and I say yes.  Please be informed however that there are still issues being ironed out.  Perhaps the most annoying is the random disappearance of my flight path after I spend 10 minutes mapping out a flight to go across the pond... this issue seems random... sometimes it works as it should, sometimes it does not.  When the CS777 IS working, it is an exceptional simulation with amazing sounds and beautiful eye candy.

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