Probabaly be cause Dovetail has many  more important things to do in the 3 days since the announcement.

 

Also why should it care in view of the attitude of some posters towards DoveTail in these forums? Anywhere, I suspect it reality we're as not  important as some posters like to think.

 

Exactly..  And all this talk of speculation a few months back, it wasn't speculation on my part, it was fact! for obvious reasons I had to be careful with what I said.   

 

I just  still find it worrying that a team with more than enough money & a plan that would appeal to Hardcore & average simmers was rejected.

 

My only hope is third party devs are not negatively affected by all of this in the future & I also look forward to seeing an interview with Dovetail at some point to clarify things.  

 

Some people here definitely need to realize that Avsim users are just a drop in the ocean when it comes to potential customer base size.

 

Regards

Anywhere, I suspect it reality we're as not important as some posters like to think.

Exactly, we are not. Customers are not important. Welcome to Dovetail Games, and I hope you enjoy your stay

 

 

I just still find it worrying that a team with more than enough money & a plan that would appeal to Hardcore & average simmers was rejected.

That in itself is very disappointing, even though I do not, or want to know who was rejected

Why do people keep saying that if dovetail games mess up fsx atleast our community will get bigger? I think that our community is big enough and on the other hand i dont want a bunch of people who have nooo information whatsoever about aviation start "playing" with fsx and turn it into a regular game! who pretty much anyone can play it. our community is special and i would love for it to stay like that

Just my 2 cents

Let's be honest, most of the FS fliers are clueless scrubs as well. For example, most wouldn't know how to communicate with ATC, most don't know the rules of aviation etc. Even on this forum

Let's be honest, most of the FS fliers are clueless scrubs

 

Wow. Perhaps a bit harsh towards "most" of your fellow simmers?

Based on a lot of the posts here, Dovetail would be wise to ignore us. They would otherwise produce a product with perhaps a thousand purchasers at best.

I use Trainsim, I started with MSTS then bought Railworks which morphed into it. I don't see a problem with DTG's DLC as I don't buy it. Every addon I've bought has come from JustTrains, downloaded from their site and installed just like any FSX addon. As long as independent 3PD developers are allowed to thrive FSX as we know it can continue exactly as it is. Apart from it running via Steam of course.

 

Why would DTG screw up FSX, as some seem to be suggesting, when it also has the rights to Flight which was specifically designed to be reliant on DLC and game like scenarios? Surely Flight is the true way forward for their DLC model? I suspect they will leave creation of new FSX content to current suppliers.

Wow. Perhaps a bit harsh towards "most" of your fellow simmers?

Based on a lot of the posts here, Dovetail would be wise to ignore us. They would otherwise produce a product with perhaps a thousand purchasers at best.

 

I have a sneaky suspicion (without a thing to back it up) that Microsoft may have rejected those more overtly hardcore oriented companies (well funded or not) for the simple reason that they would have inevitably released a product with appeal to only an extremely limited audience...... With all that entails for hopes of profit.

 

 

Which explains the "missing" features... Austin doesn't care

 

ATC, AI commercial traffic.  Yep missing features that are vital for immersion.  So yeah it's not a priority for him I know, and that will continue to hurt his sales IMHO.

I have a sneaky suspicion (without a thing to back it up) that Microsoft may have rejected those more overtly hardcore oriented companies (well funded or not) for the simple reason that they would have inevitably released a product with appeal to only an extremely limited audience...... With all that entails for hopes of profit.

 

Civilian flight simulators are always going to apply for rather limited audience. In the end most people will find a flying game that doesn't involve shooting extremely boring similar to train simulators, making things less complicated for beginners (like Flight did) won't change that core fact.  

Civilian flight simulators are always going to apply for rather limited audience. In the end most people will find a flying game that doesn't involve shooting extremely boring similar to train simulators, making things less complicated for beginners (like Flight did) won't change that core fact.  

 

Yet DTG proved that they could make a similarly (potentially) boring simulator type product profitable. Look at many of the comments in this thread, and the attitudes expressed towards anything that would attract a broad base of users: said users apparently being not much brighter than chimps.

 

That attitude, translated into a product, would almost guarantee super-niche status, which is to say, the same financially unattractive market we have now.

 

Why on earth would Microsoft be interested in that?

 

That's P3D's job.

 

Heck, DTG is releasing a Fishing simulator! In any other hands but theirs, I would anticipate one of the most massive flops ever. With DTG at the helm however, I think they might just pull it off, racing past things like Scuba simulator without even breaking a sweat.

 

Simply put, DTG has shown the ability to make a profitable simulator that doesn't deliberately leave ordinary people (and their money) in the rear-view mirror.

Let's be honest, most of the FS fliers are clueless scrubs as well. For example, most wouldn't know how to communicate with ATC, most don't know the rules of aviation etc. Even on this forum

I wouldn't say most  . probably a few , lets take this for an EXAMPLE : do you think that eventually ( IF ) p3d becomes the new fsx in terms of popularity . we'll have the same "clueless scrubs" ? of course not .  the main reason is , is the PRICE . i dont think that anyone would like to pay 200 $ ( or 60$ ) for a flight sim unless they take it very serious . So if Dovetail release fsx on steam for a price of lets say 10$ . this number of clueless scrubs will greatly increase . 

cheers

Civilian flight simulators are always going to apply for rather limited audience. In the end most people will find a flying game that doesn't involve shooting extremely boring similar to train simulators, making things less complicated for beginners (like Flight did) won't change that core fact.  

Trainsim doesn't have any shooting in it. Doesn't stop DTG from making money out of it. In fact the same goes for all the various popular simulation games available (truck, bus, farming, fishing, etc). It's a fallacy that all flight sim games need shooting to be successful. There needs to be an objective of some kind, but that isn't hard to arrange in a civilian flight sim either.

Trainsim doesn't have any shooting in it. Doesn't stop DTG from making money out of it. In fact the same goes for all the various popular simulation games available (truck, bus, farming, fishing, etc). It's a fallacy that all flight sim games need shooting to be successful. There needs to be an objective of some kind, but that isn't hard to arrange in a civilian flight sim either.

 

I've always thought of the whole shooting, crashing argument as a comfortable community myth, that justified ignoring a wider audience.

 

this number of clueless scrubs will greatly increase .

 

Clueless scrubs? You mean like most of us were in the beginning before the elitism set in? I've said it before. Too many have climbed to the mountaintop and then allowed the ladder to crash to the ground behind them: creating a huge bar to entry for the following generation: Those crashing, racing, unwashed masses so many roll their eyes at.

 

From where then, will come the new simmers? No wonder our Demographics look the way they do now.

 

I would (most likely) have given the license to DTG, too. They might blow it big time, But they probably have as good a chance as most, and better than many.

 

If they ever open a beta program, I'm gonna jump for it.

 

 

Clueless scrubs? You mean like most of us were in the beginning before the elitism set in?

HiFlyer , you can see in my post that i was replying to wims80 , so i called them the way he described them "clueless scrubs" .  so that is why i added a quotation mark to quote what wims80 said . btw you have a good point , sometimes people forget how they started and HOW they were able to reach the mountaintop as you say .

HiFlyer , you can see in my post that i was replying to wims80 , so i called them the way he described them "clueless scrubs" .  so that is why i added a quotation mark to quote what wims80 said . btw you have a good point , sometimes people forget how they started and HOW they were able to reach the mountaintop as you say .

 

Yup, I should have quoted him directly instead of quoting your quote of his post.  ^_^

 

Sorry.

I remember back around 1999, when all those "clueless scrubs" used to support a whole slew of flight simulators. My hard drive had FS, Pro Pilot, Flight Unlimited, and X-Plane to name just four. I am sure that there were a few more too. All of them had strengths and weaknesses.

 

And this is something that really needs to be stressed: The ONLY REASON we have such complex add-ons to enjoy now is because the base code for FSX has not changed in EIGHT YEARS. No flight sim product has anything like a PMDG or A2A product right out of the box. If FSX hadn't remained a fixed target we would never have what we see now. So what we see now is an anomaly. The people enjoying these complex add-ons (and yes, I am one of them) are the last, bitter end of the customer base! They aren't going to make money catering primarily to us.