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Could a flight simmer take off with a real 737 ?

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Suppose a flight is entered into the CDU and the simmer would only hand fly to 800 feet using the flight director indications

and then activate the autopilot..( of course use VNav,LNav and autothrottle )

 

Is this feasible and if not,why.

 

In my opinions it should be doable.

 

What do you think ?

 

HubertWerni

 

 

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 It's all the old same answers from the "Can you land a real 737?" thread, but in reverse.

 

I think we need to get all these answered:

 

Can you ascend to FL10 in a real XXX?

 

Can you descend to FL10 in a real XXX?

 

Can you navigate an ascending 360 in a real XXX?

 

Can you navigate a descending 360 in a real XXX?

 

Can you perform a stall recovery in a real XXX?

 

Can you recover from an engine out in a real XXX? two engines out? three engines out? all engines out?

 

 

After that we'll know who the real pilots really are! 

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Suppose a flight is entered into the CDU and the simmer would only hand fly to 800 feet using the flight director indications

and then activate the autopilot..( of course use VNav,LNav and autothrottle )

 

Is this feasible and if not,why.

 

In my opinions it should be doable.

 

What do you think ?

 

HubertWerni

Have you ever flown a real plane? If not then it would end with a large burning hole where a 737 used to be. I've flown everything a C-152 Cessna to a DC-3 in real life and I'm not sure I could take a 737 off unless I had some training first. Flight sim doesn't prepare one at all for real flying save for IFR practice. Which is why pilots are required to learn to fly in the real thing and not sims. I'm currently in college so I don't get to fly much and I get very rusty even though I fly flight sim almost every day.

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 It's all the old same answers from the "Can you land a real 737?" thread, but in reverse.

 

I think we need to get all these answered:

 

Can you ascend to FL10 in a real XXX?

 

Can you descend to FL10 in a real XXX?

 

Can you navigate an ascending 360 in a real XXX?

 

Can you navigate a descending 360 in a real XXX?

 

Can you perform a stall recovery in a real XXX?

 

Can you recover from an engine out in a real XXX? two engines out? three engines out? all engines out?

 

 

After that we'll know who the real pilots really are! 

I think you missed my point,please read the post again.

Thanks

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To answer this question AGAIN, any sim pilot can fly any 'real' plane in any and all configurations and flight segments... all the way to the scene of the crash.

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I think you missed my point,please read the post again.
Thanks

 

No, I got your point. It's the form of the same ol': "Could a flight simmer do X, Y or Z in a real live plane." asked and answered again, No, they could not take off, land, fly, turn, navigate, turn on the wipers, put the seatbelt sign on, close the main door, contact ATC, or adjust the seat, or anything else in a real jet, without prior live training and flight simming with our software is not live training. 

 

They could however order a coffee from the galley.

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No, they could not take off, land, fly, turn, navigate, turn on the wipers, put the seatbelt sign on, close the main door, contact ATC, or adjust the seat, or anything else in a real jet, without prior live training and flight simming with our software is not live training.

 

I think most experienced simmers could probably hand fly a 737 once airborne, maybe not with a great degree of accuracy, but doing simple turns probably wouldn't be too bad. Hand flying an approach would probably be a whole lot worse, especially without some stick time in any type of real a/c. I have no doubt that they could turn the wipers and seat belt signs on however.

 

I've never flown anything larger in real life then a 172 which I have about 60 hours in. However, when I was younger I got two hours of flight time in an F-4 simulator at the now closed George AFB in Adelanto, CA. At the time I only had about 10 hours of real flight time in a 152 that I was training in and umpteen hours in the older flight sims. Anyways, I was actually able to fly the F-4 sim pretty well considering my limited real stick time. Granted it wasn't a 737 but it was a professional USAF sim that the base F-4 pilots trained in and the takeoff and landing speeds were pretty high in relation to a 737, but hand flight it wasn't all that difficult. I actually landed the darn thing pretty well also, much to the surprise of the instructor who was sitting at the control panel running the deal.

 

I think it's really hard to say yes or no to the OP's question. I think some people are more adept to flying than others and some people are naturally blessed with the skills to be able to do things like this with minimal instruction.

 

Having said that, would I want to go jump in an F-4 or 737 alone and try to take off and land one in real life? He'll no, but I would be willing to try it if I had an IP with me. I'd be interested to see how well I could do.

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I was at the airport once and saw planes take off and land. I think I am qualified to activate the autopilot... :P

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:Whistle: "We could go to the moon in a great balloon... or fly a real 737 with just FSX experience... just imagine!!!" 

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Yes definitely. Enough of PMDG flying will teach you how all the main systems operate, if you have the aircraft set correctly all you need to do is to pull back from the stick after you have gained enough speed. 

 

How well you would do once you are up in the air & when you have to come down and land, that's a different thing. 

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I am sure I could, all you need to do is press F4 and pull back at rotate.

 

...wait there is an F4 key in the real cockpit, right?

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If you are a serious flight simmer probably you could take off and land a B737. Once I landed a King Air B200 perfectly and took-off and land twice a Citation Mustang.

 

These airplanes are not difficult to fly. Off course that a type rate pilot for these airplane requires much more than just fly them, they need to be trained and know the system and emergency procedure.

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:rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

 

You'd hit the wingtip on something before you'd even made the runway. That's if you got moving in the first instance.

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I suspect you couldn't even figure out how to get in the door of the aircraft and if you did you'd never get the initial circuit breakers and systems operating.

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and if you did you'd never get the initial circuit breakers and systems operating.

 

Yes you would if the aircraft was prepared for a flight & you've done enough 737NGX flying. What you get with PMDG's default panel states is more or less what pilots should get when they go into the cockpit.

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Yes you would if the aircraft was prepared for a flight & you've done enough 737NGX flying. What you get with PMDG's default panel states is more or less what pilots should get when they go into the cockpit.

 

I am somewhat surprised not getting unanimous answers for such a simple question.

May be I did not make myself clear enough,therefore I try again.

 

I am sitting in the cockpit of a 737 and everything is set up for the take off,now I mean everything.I am on

the runway,no taxi needed,no worries about the wings hitting anything.

 

AS mentionned CDU is programmed,LNav,VNav,autothrottle on,engines running etc

 

In theory all I have to do is advance the throttle,keep the aircraft on the runway,at v1 rotate gently to about 15 degrees

and when reaching 800 feet switch the autopilot on.End of exercice.( Now a real pilot takes over )

 

 

And that's it.

 

By the way I used to fly Cessna 172 and when learning I found the easiest was the take off.

 

 

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I am somewhat surprised not getting unanimous answers for such a simple question.

May be I did not make myself clear enough,therefore I try again.

 

I am sitting in the cockpit of a 737 and everything is set up for the take off,now I mean everything.I am on

the runway,no taxi needed,no worries about the wings hitting anything.

 

AS mentionned CDU is programmed,LNav,VNav,autothrottle on,engines running etc

 

In theory all I have to do is advance the throttle,keep the aircraft on the runway,at v1 rotate gently to about 15 degrees

and when reaching 800 feet switch the autopilot on.End of exercice.( Now a real pilot takes over )

 

 

And that's it.

 

By the way I used to fly Cessna 172 and when learning I found the easiest was the take off.

 

 

Almost anybody could "take-off". But, would they be able to keep it in the air without stalling. And, would they be able to land. No! is the answer.

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Almost anybody could "take-off". But, would they be able to keep it in the air without stalling. And, would they be able to land. No! is the answer.

 

Or it might be yes, depends from the person, weather conditions etc. Considering the high rate of survival in relatively low velocity crashes I think it would be possible to at least make a crash landing that would be survivable for most people, think about the Asiana SFO crash for example. 

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Fwiw I flew BA's 737-400 simulator with only minimal input from the instructor having only flown light aircraft and desktop sims. In many ways it was easier than the desktop sim as there are many more cues and the controls feel much weightier. Handling an aircraft that is set up to fly is one thing but flying it in anger under pressure is another. The challenge would not so much be flying the aircraft for an experienced simmer but in the 'is there anybody to fly the plane' scenario, who would you talk to on the radio and how would you find your way to the airport without charts or an idea of where you were? At night, IMC, with the autopilot off you will not last long before it goes horribly wrong. Not only that but in a 30 ton jet approaching a runway at 150 knots it looks VERY short, believe me.

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I guess you missed this thread http://forum.avsim.net/topic/453363-could-i-fly-a-real-boeing-737-800/  just on the next page ^_^

Anyway, from now on I'm going to answer YES to all similar questions, just to boost the sales & moral in FS community :rolleyes:

Recently I've logged over 100h in Hang Gliders in FSX, although I've never done Hang Gliding IRL, I'm totally convinced that the knowledge & experience that FSX & ASN have provided me with, is sufficient to try it in the real thing.

So I've bought an used Hang Glider & tomorrow I'm going to a mountain & take-off, glide around a little, take some pictures & land.....should be a piece of cake It's so easy in FSX. I'll post a video tomorrow of the whole thing :BigGrin:  

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I guess you missed this thread http://forum.avsim.net/topic/453363-could-i-fly-a-real-boeing-737-800/  just on the next page ^_^

Anyway, from now on I'm going to answer YES to all similar questions, just to boost the sales & moral in FS community :rolleyes:

Recently I've logged over 100h in Hang Gliders in FSX, although I've never done Hang Gliding IRL, I'm totally convinced that the knowledge & experience that FSX & ASN have provided me with, is sufficient to try it in the real thing.

So I've bought an used Hang Glider & tomorrow I'm going to a mountain & take-off, glide around a little, take some pictures & land.....should be a piece of cake It's so easy in FSX. I'll post a video tomorrow of the whole thing :BigGrin:  

You did what!!! You bought a used hang glider. Who has tested it? No-one! And, tomorrow you're going to jump off a mountain with absolutely no experience at all of flying in real weather. You will kill yourself!!

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