In that case, they would most certainly stall. Unbelievable, I thought they train people these days.

Feathering the wrong engine is not unheard of but I thought in a multi crew scenario it would be nearly impossible

The problem is the ATR. It's a good a/c but as I said before it will bite hard if you make a mistake. It requires a top notch crew.

The problem is the ATR. It's a good a/c but as I said before it will bite hard if you make a mistake. It requires a top notch crew.

 

Or in other words it's not user friendly.

One thing that is interesting is that airport is surrounded by higher residential buildings as far as I can see, so I guess that rate of climb after takeoff is a bit higher than usual, and in this case it was easier ti stall the airplane.

Does dead leg dead engine not really work to well on the ATR? Maybe the climb was sluggish so they couldn't really feel it

The problem is the ATR. It's a good a/c but as I said before it will bite hard if you make a mistake. It requires a top notch crew.

 

 

Tell me one aircraft which doesn't bite you hard if you first have an engine failure and then shut down the WRONG engine, meaning you end up flying a very heavy glider. This simple mistake pilots did here has actually brought down even a Boeing 737, British Midland Flight 92.

 

 

 

One thing that is interesting is that airport is surrounded by higher residential buildings as far as I can see, so I guess that rate of climb after takeoff is a bit higher than usual, and in this case it was easier ti stall the airplane.

 

Well, it's pretty difficult to climb at all if you don't have any engine power, apart from actual designed gliders of course. 

 

Should we blame ATR for not designing the aircraft to be a glider? 

 

We should blame this particular airline for not training their pilots properly, no matter what they fly they are going to kill more people in the future if they don't change their ways.

Shutting down the wrong engine after an engine failure is something that should never happen, so I agree that you can't blame the aircraft for that.

Far too much supposition going on here.  If a RL ATR Pilot tells me this AC is a ###### to fly, so much so he bid to get off it, then I take note.

 

Latest report says it was a double engine failure.  No amount of stick pulling, rudder stamping was going to save them.  

 

 

Latest report says it was a double engine failure.  

You have a link to that? 

Just heard on the news that the Black Box recording revealed the pilots inadvertently shut down the "good" engine and thus propagated the stall and crash..Sad..may reflect poor training by airline or how complicated the engine out procedure is.....

Far too much supposition going on here.  If a RL ATR Pilot tells me this AC is a ###### to fly, so much so he bid to get off it, then I take note.

 

Perhaps that pilot shouldn't be flying anything larger than Cessna if the world's most popular turboprop is too much for him to handle. An unsafe airplane wouldn't be so popular among airlines and have similar safety record to other turboprop aircraft out there. 

 

 

 

Latest report says it was a double engine failure.  No amount of stick pulling, rudder stamping was going to save them.  

 

 

No, it was a single engine failure combined and a pilot shutting down the only working engine. 

 

Sad..may reflect poor training by airline or how complicated the engine out procedure is.....

 

 

Here in Finland our ATR operators Finnair / Finncomm / Flybe have never lost a single ATR, despite having operated at least equally many aircraft and flights as Transasia Airways has. Yet they have somehow managed to crash four ATR's within same time period. 

 

Clearly the airline sucks, not the aircraft. 

No FsCamp I bid out of the ATR because I don't care for it and in my opinion it's a nightmare! I didn't bid out of it because "the world's most popular turnoprop was too much for me to handle" I bid out of it because I don't agree that it's a safe airplane, especially in icing. We had 5, yes that's right five different memory items and checklists just because we flew through an ice cloud. After the Roseland accident ATR put a lot of bandaids on this aircraft and went a bit overzealous on the QRH and Memory items. If we flew in and out of ice clouds on a particular flight we would have to run those memory and checklists several times. By the time you were done with the flight you were exhausted. Why do you think American Eagle moved them all down south to Puerto Rico?

 

Just to clear things up FsCamp this is my opinion. You're entitled to yours, but at least the FAA doesn't think that I "shouldn't be flying anything larger than a cessna" and I have a few type ratings to prove it!

Tell me one aircraft which doesn't bite you hard if you first have an engine failure and then shut down the WRONG engine, meaning you end up flying a very heavy glider. This simple mistake pilots did here has actually brought down even a Boeing 737, British Midland Flight 92.

 

 

 

 

Well a 737 with both engines out is much easier to handle than an ATR with both out. Having said that there have been countless crashes immediately after take-off relating to various a/c types due to engine failure. All for differing reasons.

Why do you think American Eagle moved them all down south to Puerto Rico?

Perhaps due to the negative image the aircraft got in the US among passengers after American Eagle crash? 

 

Don't know but at least the airlines here in Finland and neighbouring Sweden  seem to prefer ATR over Dash 8. I doubt that would be the case if they had significant issues with icing, after all weather is rather cold here most of the year. I wonder if it could have something to do with our pilots being more accustomed to flying in icy conditions, after all the amount of snow that is enough to shut down major international airports in the most of the US is just usual business around here. 

 

Anyway, I respect your opinion. 

 

 

You have a link to that? 

 

My source was a BBC news update so who knows where they got it from.

 

Whether this article is closer to the truth ...

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/transasia-air-crash-both-engines-failed-taiwan